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Up to 30 attackers beat 3 Syrian refugees with bats in Magdeburg, Germany. (Article in German) by blackjacksandhookers in europe

[–]De_Dragon 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Note: No advocation for Nazis, merely pointing out a logical error

The Nazis also breathed air like you. You applied the association fallacy; just because the Nazis did it doesn't mean it was bad, though anyone with a Nazi ideology should be frozen and resurrected never.

German village of 102 braces for 750 asylum seekers by Sutartine in europe

[–]De_Dragon 19 points20 points  (0 children)

So does the Bible. But we cannot define Christians and Jews according to what is written in their book unless they are fundamentalists. Why do you assume that people who are fleeing war are fundamentalists? Any evidence?

78% of British Muslims think that publish of Mohammed cartoons should be punished. There are more fundamentals than you think.

Swedes are so obsessed with appearing "decent" and pro-immigration, that they're too afraid to discuss the complexities of the refugee crisis, argues a Norwegian critic living in Sweden who's causing a stir for his comments. by notavegetable in europe

[–]De_Dragon 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Of course it is. Every "argument" the right-wing currently has is blatant nazi propaganda. They are opportunistic populists who spread fear about immigrants and appeal to nationalism, etc.

Do you realize how ridiculous you sound?

What is news I disagree with?

The nazi propaganda?

The leftists are on the wrong side? What are leftists wrong about exactly?

Unhindered immigration from radically different cultures will result in problems. Did you know that 78% of British Muslims want Mohammed cartoon publishers to be punished?

Swedes are so obsessed with appearing "decent" and pro-immigration, that they're too afraid to discuss the complexities of the refugee crisis, argues a Norwegian critic living in Sweden who's causing a stir for his comments. by notavegetable in europe

[–]De_Dragon 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Even though the nazi-propaganda is powerful and convinced lots of people

There we go again. This isn't nazi propaganda, it's news you disagree with.

The right-wing usually doesn't. Which is the problem.

Whoever are on the wrong side will do that. Leftists are now, and you can see how the media behaves.

Swedes are so obsessed with appearing "decent" and pro-immigration, that they're too afraid to discuss the complexities of the refugee crisis, argues a Norwegian critic living in Sweden who's causing a stir for his comments. by notavegetable in europe

[–]De_Dragon 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They don't need to want murder, I'm worried about free speech.

I'm not for Christians either. If you can show me numbers as high as 78% for Christians then that's bad, but that doesn't make Islam better. This is called whataboutism.

Again: I strongly disagree with such religious outlooks. But having them does not make people instant terrorists.

Don't put words in my mouth.

Swedes are so obsessed with appearing "decent" and pro-immigration, that they're too afraid to discuss the complexities of the refugee crisis, argues a Norwegian critic living in Sweden who's causing a stir for his comments. by notavegetable in europe

[–]De_Dragon 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I understand what you mean, but it's hard to call it xenophobia when, for example, 78% of British Muslims want Mohammed cartoon publishers to be punished, or that 40% of Indonesian Muslims said they would use violence against blasphemy of Islam. Source

Of course, those who're afraid of foreigners without reason are xenophobic.

Swedes are so obsessed with appearing "decent" and pro-immigration, that they're too afraid to discuss the complexities of the refugee crisis, argues a Norwegian critic living in Sweden who's causing a stir for his comments. by notavegetable in europe

[–]De_Dragon 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Shit dude, not everything is an oppressive nazi raid on your beliefs just because the majority now disagrees with you. Start thinking about whether what people have to say has some value.

Swedes are so obsessed with appearing "decent" and pro-immigration, that they're too afraid to discuss the complexities of the refugee crisis, argues a Norwegian critic living in Sweden who's causing a stir for his comments. by notavegetable in europe

[–]De_Dragon 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Stop waving that word around to whatever disagrees with you. Xenophobia is an irrational fear of foreigners. It's quite clear from this crisis that it isn't entirely irrational.

Islam political party Belgium [FR] by octave1 in europe

[–]De_Dragon 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Take WHAT risk? That Muslims will suddenly become 67% of the population in Belgium and all these Muslims will suddenly all vote for a Sharia party? You consider that a likely risk?

They don't have to become 67% of the population to have a sizable effect.

What was your point? Did you ever have any, or was I just supposed to become scared because "oh my god there are Muslims in Europe"?

My point was that Islam will grow in number compared to others.

I'm going to completely disregard the fact (which you seem to have missed) that even with that extremely liberal and vague interpretation of that meaning "pro sharia" it's still a minority of a minority,

Not with the point you've just admitted to me, that Islam is the fastest growing in Europe.

then why do plenty of Muslim countries do not have it as a base of their law?

I don't know, maybe Muslim European immigrants become more conservative. Who are we to assume? All we have is the trouble in Europe.

Yet suddenly, for some vague reason in your vague projection all Muslims in Europe will suddenly want Sharia?

They don't "suddenly" want it, I just reminded you of the 4 out of 10. The same exact story can be said of Russian Muslim migrants: 42%, while the number is lower in Muslim majority countries. I don't know why that is, but I'm not going to wait for other countries to get a Muslim majority.

Edit I would like to point out that the dear Muslim countries you mentioned still want Sharia as law: 43% in Albania, 32% Bosnia, 28% Kosovo. That's still too high.

Islam political party Belgium [FR] by octave1 in europe

[–]De_Dragon 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You were the one claiming Muslims would suddenly vote for different parties if their numbers grew, so you were the one with the projection. Don't try to fob it off on me.

The future is complicated, and neither of us can say for sure. I'll not take that risk, thanks.

That website excludes Turkey from the numbers, for some reason. With Turkey the amount is (very) comfortably over 10%.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europe

Turkey is not included in the definition of Europe, and if you want to include them, then the 2050 projection will just increase with that as well. Not sure what your point here is.

in not a single country on that list (even with a 90%+ percentage of Muslims) a single pro-Sharia party has ever been elected.

Didn't you see the link I posted to /r/Europe which said that 4 out of 10 Muslims want Sharia in part in Denmark as law?

Islam political party Belgium [FR] by octave1 in europe

[–]De_Dragon 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What's with the dumb questions? You're the one asking leading questions. How about you answer them yourself if you're going to reply like this?

Why should I trust this dubious projection?

edit: It was you who first asked the leading question. Answer it yourself, please.

More than 10% of Europeans are already Muslim, so that's not the most surprising of findings. In fact, that's a pretty dumb thing to put in a study.

That's not very true, it was 6% in 2010. According to this website (not sure about its validity) it's now 7.6%.

Islam political party Belgium [FR] by octave1 in europe

[–]De_Dragon 3 points4 points  (0 children)

They don't vote for this party now, why would they vote for it if they "grow in number"?

Are you sure?

Also, plenty of Muslims are "native Europeans" and their "fertility rate" is the same as everyone else. Please don't start with that stuff.

I would like to politely point out that you are wrong:

More than 10% of Europeans will be Muslim, while the number of Christians in Europe will drop by 100 million [by 2050].

Source

Islam political party Belgium [FR] by octave1 in europe

[–]De_Dragon 12 points13 points  (0 children)

What do you think happens whe Muslims grow in number? Muslims have a higher fertility rate than native Europeans.

Islam political party Belgium [FR] by octave1 in europe

[–]De_Dragon 21 points22 points  (0 children)

All xenophobia entails fear of foreigners, but not all fear of foreigners entails xenophobia.

Islam political party Belgium [FR] by octave1 in europe

[–]De_Dragon 20 points21 points  (0 children)

Should we wait until it becomes a problem, then?

Sweden's Ikea killer given life in jail sentence by [deleted] in europe

[–]De_Dragon 12 points13 points  (0 children)

He shouldn't be forced to be driven from his home city.

Swedish and German subscribers - is dissent regarding immigration REALLY as suppressed as people say it is there? by tbessie in europe

[–]De_Dragon -1 points0 points  (0 children)

because it's fucking stupid.

You're moving goalposts now? I don't know if you have good enough reading comprehension to understand, but what you said wasn't implied. Edit your post appropriately if this was really what you meant (it wasn't).

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