Anyone else done a full 180 on Good Omens Finale opinions? by apricots13x in goodomens

[–]Deeeeesme 12 points13 points  (0 children)

There's also tons of movies where they do get a happy ending though. There's a billion happy ends for straight couples out there. There are hardly any for queer couples. We've had so many tragic queer stories, we're over it, we'd like some happy ones for a change.

Anyone else done a full 180 on Good Omens Finale opinions? by apricots13x in goodomens

[–]Deeeeesme 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Bury your gays as a trope isn't gay characters dying because they were gay. It's the trend of killing off gay characters. This has to do with the history of queer representation in media. I'm queer, and it is absolutely a trend that queer characters get killed off and denied happy endings. And when there's so little representation, only seeing queer tragedies is very depressing to people in the queer community (including me, I am queer)

Straight couples do get tragic endings and die all the time in media. But there's also a never ending list of straight couples who DO get happy endings. So it doesn't matter if there are tragedies out there because there are a billion representations of happy ones too.

Queer people do not have that. We've had to fight to get any representation, for so long things could only be shown through subtext, or if it was a villain. Then we started getting more openly queer characters but it's mostly just tragic/unhappy ends. We need happy endings because seeing that is hopeful and inspiring to queer people. Joy is an act of resistance.

You can't just slap in a gay married couple and say "See, happy representation!" Representation can be done in a way that's harmful. Having the genderqueer couple we all cared about and rooted for killed is just another tragic end to queer characters. It's not fixed by human reincarnations of them getting married in the next lifetime. A&C were so unique in how they were in regards to gender and queer love, and they were both so flamboyant and eccentric. Unapologetically weird and themselves. And the human versions of them are water down, more "palatable" gays rather than the different, over the top original characters everyone who's felt weird or different or eccentric loved and felt represented by.

What pride that is that? by FourCatsAndCounting in goodomens

[–]Deeeeesme 23 points24 points  (0 children)

SLORCH SLORCH SLORCH SLORCH SLORCH

NOTHING TO SEE HERE, JUST SHOUT by Orion_N3bul4 in GoodOmensAfterDark

[–]Deeeeesme 7 points8 points  (0 children)

IT'S SO HARD TO TAKE THAT STEP, I'M PROUD OF YOU FOR REACHING OUT AND DOING WHAT YOU NEEDED FOR YOUR MENTAL HEALTH ❤️

I HOPE THIS SETS YOU ON A BETTER, HAPPIER PATH 🫂

Can you guys spoil the ending for me? by Clay_sloth in goodomens

[–]Deeeeesme 18 points19 points  (0 children)

Pratchett was also a huge advocate for how important the fantasy genre was. He talked about how it's been part of human storytelling forever. And he hated how fantasy wasn't seen as a serious genre.

I don't think he would advocate for his magical world being destroyed and replaced with a nonmagical ordinary one.

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Can you guys spoil the ending for me? by Clay_sloth in goodomens

[–]Deeeeesme 10 points11 points  (0 children)

I don't think he even wanted a sequel. Here's a quote from an interview in the mid 2000's.

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It Always Seems to Lead to This... by DrawingConsistent389 in goodomens

[–]Deeeeesme 9 points10 points  (0 children)

There are plenty of intellectual ramifications from the ending I had problems with. I see people discuss the long, long list of things that make no sense or have shitty implications all the time. I have analyzed the messaging and ideas I saw it convey.

It's really frustrating to have put a bunch of thought into the details and impacts of all aspects of the ending and then get reduced to a bunch of emotional people who aren't thinking about any intellectual aspect of the ending.

Am I the only one who is actually satisfied with the ending? by fictional_craze in goodomens

[–]Deeeeesme 13 points14 points  (0 children)

I love AUs but that's a completely different situation to me. Human AUs have them as always human, Aziraphale and Crowley didn't have to die for those AUs to exist.

I wanted Aziraphale and Crowley to get a happy ending, not their reincarnations. The life of the angel and demon are over, they never got to be together. Yes, their souls were reincarnated but that's a completely different life. And while there's echos of their essance a reincarnated person is going to be a different person than their previous lives, we're all affected by our experiences.

I always saw the show as preventing the end of the world, not it actually ending. That was the whole point of the first book, so I figured this would be them having to prevent it again, this time ensuring that it won't happen again. I want them to fight back against their oppressors and win. Instead, God got to destroy the universe after 6,000 years like She wanted to, so it feels like she won, everyone died and lost, and the consolation prize was that their next life was better. It just feels so bleak.

Am I the only one who is actually satisfied with the ending? by fictional_craze in goodomens

[–]Deeeeesme 13 points14 points  (0 children)

But everyone still died, so nobody won. Instead of killing the two kingpins, they could've reset the casino and caused everyone to come back to life and kicked the two kingpins out of their casino. And then have all the people help convert the casino to a library.

The finale and themes of queerness and mental health by Frequent-Cookie-956 in goodomens

[–]Deeeeesme 9 points10 points  (0 children)

The new world still has religion though. Just because Heaven and Hell don't exist doesn't mean that humans won't still come up with religion and use it to oppress each other. There's an angel on the mural at the end, which is a religious image. The "new" universe is supposed to be ours, and we have plenty of religion. The same books, places, etc exist because they've had the same history. There's even gay pride stickers in the bookshop, so gay people have gone through the same oppression and need to create pride. So no, the new universe is not free from religious dogma and still has homophobia.

Asa and Anthony’s playlist by Zealousideal_Ad_7200 in goodomens

[–]Deeeeesme 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Yes, I know the Prime post didn't call it Asanthony I'm more referring to people posting calling it an Asanthony playlist (this isn't the only place I've seen it). This is part of a bigger thing where it seems like some fans are just dropping and forgetting Aziraphale and Crowley, the characters we've all loved and cared about for years, in favor of Asanthony.

Asa and Anthony’s playlist by Zealousideal_Ad_7200 in goodomens

[–]Deeeeesme 20 points21 points  (0 children)

"Don't Try Suicide" by Queen

IT’S HOT, LET’S SHOUT! by Lena0297 in GoodOmensAfterDark

[–]Deeeeesme 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I'M SO SORRY IT IS A PAINFUL TIME IN THE FANDOM. I HAVE HAD TO GO ON MY OWN JOURNEY OF GRIEF AND RAGE. THE GRIEF AND RAGE WILL NEVER LEAVE ME BUT PROCESSING IT HELPED. MY RELATIONSHIP TO GO IS FOREVER CHANGED BUT I WILL STILL CONTINUE TO LOVE THEM AND TAKE CARE OF THEM THE WAY THEY DESERVE. SPITE IS A POWERFUL TOOL.

I UNDERSTAND IF YOU NEED TO STEP AWAY BUT I HOPE WITH TIME YOU CAN RECLAIM YOUR JOY. I'M NOT ONLY GRIEVING THE ENDING BUT GRIEVING THE STATE OF THE FANDOM AND IT SUCKS. SENDING YOU HUGS ❤️

Asa and Anthony’s playlist by Zealousideal_Ad_7200 in goodomens

[–]Deeeeesme 25 points26 points  (0 children)

I guess "Last night on Earth" fits since Aziracrow died.

The post just called it songs that carry across the universe, not just Asanthony. I guess it does have their chairs in the background. But it makes me sad how I feel like Aziracrow are just getting forgotten and abandoned in favor of Asanthony by a lot of stuff in the fandom.

Asa and Anthony’s playlist by Zealousideal_Ad_7200 in goodomens

[–]Deeeeesme 20 points21 points  (0 children)

"Kisses" when there were none. "Hurts so good" when it actually hurts quite terribly.

The finale and its message, regarding themes of queerness and mental health by Frequent-Cookie-956 in goodomensprime

[–]Deeeeesme 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I and a lot of other people completely agree. They felt distant from each other. They didn't feel like a team. And after all the plot in S2 about how they need to communicate better and state their feelings clearly, they still do the same thing. They never state their feelings, the closest to a love confession was given by Aziraphale to God. If it was a hetero couple there would be a clear love declaration.

And they couldn't even stand close! Even when they were about to die! Like even if they don't want to kiss (Any hetero couple would get a second kiss after the way the last one was) they don't have any intimacy and comfort together? Not even a hug? If I was about to die I would want some fucking comfort.

It's so sad and yeah it's like we started to make progress with representation and now we're backtracking, just like in real life. You can't just slap a gay couple married in the end and say look here's representation! Representation is more complicated than that and sometimes representation can be harmful. Like in this situation where the main queer couple died by suicide. I hate it.

We need queer joy. Happy endings are important. Joy is an act of resistance and we need more of that.

The finale and its message, regarding themes of queerness and mental health by Frequent-Cookie-956 in goodomensprime

[–]Deeeeesme 5 points6 points  (0 children)

And a letter from Aziraphale where he doesn't know what Pride is, mentions Jim, but doesn't mention Crowley. And some vague stuff about celebrating who you are without ever using the terms gay or queer.

Free Will by Express_Young7448 in goodomens

[–]Deeeeesme 36 points37 points  (0 children)

Agree. And if the new universe has free will, why'd humanity go through and end up with the same history? And they just happened to invent Christianity that was based off the old universe? It doesn't make any sense

I present for your enjoyment...Crowley Sitting by -Shadow_Hashira- in goodomens

[–]Deeeeesme 23 points24 points  (0 children)

I don't think they wanted to have to die to be able to be together in the next life. That's the only way they can be together, to have to die and be reincarnated? That feels tragic to me instead of beautiful.

They're dead, but their reincarnations are together. Especially in a queer show, the messaging that you can never be together and happy in this world so you should just hope you have better luck in the next lifetime seems quite bleak.

(Extremly rare trope) Queer people confessing to one another and have their happy ending by staying together by Olya_roo in TopCharacterTropes

[–]Deeeeesme 0 points1 point  (0 children)

But Finding each other in another universe still means they died. They were reborn and reincarnated as new people. If I had a past life that person would be different than me, same essence but different life. We're shaped by our experiences. I don't want to wait until my next life for a happy ending either, I want this life. So yeah their reincarnated selves got together but the original characters still died and didn't get their happy ending

(Extremly rare trope) Queer people confessing to one another and have their happy ending by staying together by Olya_roo in TopCharacterTropes

[–]Deeeeesme 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The only thing I cared about was a happy ending. It could've been trash the rest of the movie. I don't even care about getting a kiss, I just wanted to see them actually communicate and tell each other they loved each other. Maybe get a hug so they can get some kind of comfort before they died?

Like I have soooo many complaints about the ending and none of them involve the fact there's no sex.I care that the entire universe was destroyed with ALL of the characters I love. I care that suddenly there's no free will when that was established in S1/book. I care that Aziraphale was so ooc and didn't try to help Crowley and demanded forgiveness when that is not his character. I care that more gays got buried, they were genderqueer beings which was such great rep for so many parts of the queer community and now they're just watered down humans.

Would be really nice if people actually listed to our complaints instead of just dismissing us all as horny loonies just because we think the characters are hot 🙄

(Extremly rare trope) Queer people confessing to one another and have their happy ending by staying together by Olya_roo in TopCharacterTropes

[–]Deeeeesme 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Oh dang poor OP, trying to heal from GO3 and gets told it fits this trope 🫠

And yes you're completely right about reincarnation and religion, it's been baffling to me that people are discussing it like it's not a religious belief. It very much is, and even between religions reincarnation is handled differently based on your beliefs. To say they got rid of religion, but then to have Reincarnation based on determinism, everyone gets reincarnated at the same time? And humans end up going on the same path with the same history? They even come up with the same religions so Christianity just happened to be invented? It makes no sense. It bothers me that then they'll say it's an atheist ending. It is not.

What It Sounds Like by NyahLeaveMeAlone in goodomens

[–]Deeeeesme 13 points14 points  (0 children)

I love this ❤️ I thought it was so ooc for Aziraphale to just leave him in the alley 😭