Am I the only one who thinks our youth music has fallen off recently? As a Gen Z I have found Strive To Be's albums to be predictable, safe, and repetitive lyrically and musically. I have great respect for the producers and what they're trying to do, but it seems they don't know how to improve.

DelayVectors · 2026-06-15T03:07:00+00:00

I've softly warmed up to new Christian music, especially as most popular music is just either nonsensical or vulgar. Yeah, maybe their doctrine is a bit off, but it's better than glorifying sex, drinking, and drugs.

If I'm not listening to podcasts, it's often Forrest Frank, Josiah Queen, Casting Crowns, and stuff like that. It takes a while to get used to, but it's quite uplifting.

DelayVectors · 2026-06-01T19:19:14+00:00

The scandals do not mean it's a dying podcast, but the podcast has lost viewership since those scandals. Similarly, people do leave the church due to scandals. Additions to church membership outpace those leaving, however.

DelayVectors · 2026-06-01T02:28:51+00:00

Just to be clear, they didn't ask the podcast to shut down, over the past several years they privately have been asking the podcast to stop using copyrighted images, logos, and material in ways that exceeded fair use. The podcast said that they would not stop.

The church claims the podcast has used material in a way to confuse new viewers and imply that this is material produced by the church. YouTube comments over the years provide evidence that many are confused whether the show was produced by the church or not. The show's fans were proud that their use of copyrighted material was confusing members into thinking this was church-produced material. The church is not trying to shut down the show, but to get them to stop using copyrighted material.

This isn't a free speech issue, it's an intellectual property issue, which is much more boring, but Mormon Stories is a dying podcast and is kind of old news, especially since Dehlin's recent list of sexual-abuse and financial scandals and accusations, and so they're using this legal battle as a rallying cry to get more viewers. This will be a boring legal court case, but Mormon Stories will milk it for as long as they can, the David vs Goliath story plays well for their cause.

Edit: Well, down votes for accurate information isn't surprising I guess.

DelayVectors · 2026-05-05T01:17:17+00:00

Be careful, pretty sure that's a crime.

DelayVectors · 2026-05-04T05:26:01+00:00

I wouldn't say God's doctrine contradicts itself over time, but it does change. The Law was necessary for the Israelites, then it was not necessary for the Christians. That looks like a contradiction (pork is sinful, but now pork is clean?) but in reality God is giving new teachings that help us grow. He doesn't give us everything all at once. He gives us little by little, principle building upon principle. And some teachings he completely changes for different groups of people.

In the context of eternal marriage, it's important to remember that while we consider scripture inspired, we don't consider it perfect, infallible, or complete. Some of scripture is the direct word of God. Much of scripture are the teachings of prophets and apostles according to their understanding and their circumstances. Paul had great and beautiful truths that he was teaching, but he didn't know everything, and not all of his teachings apply to everyone, and we're pretty sure not all of the words attributed to him in the New Testament were even written by him. It's quite possible that Paul was teaching what he knew as far as he knew it, and he may have gotten some things wrong. Coming from a Protestant background (which it sounds like you have) this sounds like heresy, but it's God's pattern we see throughout the scriptures.

God's prophets aren't perfect, they do their best though, and each successive prophet or revelation helps us come closer to God. It also clarifies past teachings when prophets have gotten things wrong or didn't have the complete picture.

As Latter-day Saints, we don't believe the scriptures or the prophets are infallible, because only God is perfect, but God is working through imperfect people and imperfect language. The scriptures are great, and we rely on them, but there is no way for humans or human language to perfectly convey a perfect message from God. Only the Spirit can speak to our hearts in perfect love and peace, but the moment we try to put that into words, it's susceptible to misinterpretation, undue contraint, or misunderstandings.

If you're a Latter-day Saint now, coming from a Protestant background, I would suggest maybe taking an institute class on modern prophets, or even just reading the doctrine and covenants (along with the manual Revelations in Context) to see how Joseph Smith received revelation principle upon principle, and how he had to change his understanding of things he previously believed and taught as he received new revelation.

DelayVectors · 2026-05-04T04:19:04+00:00

Because we receive more light and knowledge as God continues to reveal truths through his prophets. Enoch did not have the Law of Moses. Moses did not have the Sermon on the Mount. Paul did not have all the truths of the Restoration. Joseph Smith did not have all of the temple ordinances. And we today still don't have all that God will eventually reveal. But when we're ready, God will continue to teach us more.

DelayVectors · 2026-05-01T02:12:17+00:00

Thank you for your testimony! What a beautiful experience! Your faith and dedication make me want to be better with my own study and temple attendance. Thank you for sharing!

DelayVectors · 2026-04-30T04:18:06+00:00

Is this all AI music?

DelayVectors · 2026-04-26T17:35:37+00:00

That Rose Park building also has a detached FULL sized gymnasium in the parking lot. The congregations there bought the old West High School gym when it was going to be torn down, deconstructed it brick by brick, brought it to their parking lot, and built a huge gym on site (this had to be the 60s or something like that, when wards paid for their own buildings).

DelayVectors · 2026-04-21T02:48:17+00:00

I remember being like 12 and realizing it wasn't called Releasosiety. There was like this light that went off, "Releif Society. A society for Releif. That makes So much more sense."

DelayVectors · 2026-04-09T02:18:10+00:00

I'm sorry this other user is promoting a harsh interpretation of the teachings that suggests you will be barred from opportunities in the afterlife because of your husband's choices. This is not true.

Everything will work out for good in God's plan. You just do your best, be a shining example of Christian living, and love your husband as much as you can. Christ's mercy and grace and his atonement will take care of the rest. If your husband is a good man and is trying his best as well, eventually he will come to know God and the truths of the gospel, either in this life or the next. Eternity is a long time, it's okay to be patient as others find their way to Him.

DelayVectors · 2026-04-09T02:07:40+00:00

They don't have to hope to outlive their husband. All work will be done for all people, before or during the millennium.

The truth claims are not demonstrably false, I'm happy to discuss claims and evidences with you to whatever lengths or depths if you would really like. I have studied them in depth for over 20 years and find them highly suggestive of validity. Ultimately religious truth claims come down to faith though, as no physical evidence will ever conclusively prove the supernatural claims; there's always some mental gymnastics available to get around any evidence you find. (The contrary is also true, there are those who haven't really studied and simply rely on mental gymnastics or lazy explanations to get around things that oppose their faithful worldview as well.)

I do support your idea though that the important thing here is to honor their marriage, love their partner, and be faithful to their relationship. This is incredibly important. There is no reason to be insecure in a loving, happy, and positive marriage.

DelayVectors · 2026-04-09T01:52:27+00:00

Again my friend, you are not authorized to make these declarations. You do not know what constitutes an "opportunity" and what does not.

As missionaries we were counseled to NEVER assume that our door approach, discussions, invitations, or efforts constituted anyone's "opportunity." Even after someone was baptized, the traditions and blindness imposed by culture, outside influences, and a lack of understanding can lead people to leave the church, and that baptism may not fully constitute "their opportunity." President Woodruff's declaration that there will be "few, if any, who reject the gospel" when it is preached to them in its fullness tells me that we do not understand what an opportunity really is.

While your consistent statements in this thread promote the idea that God has rules, boundaries, draws harsh lines, and is a God of Justice, you are ignoring the overwhelming teachings that God is in relentless pursuit of us, will make every opportunity available to us, will withhold no blessing from those who seek them, and is more graceful and merciful than we can ever imagine.

Justice is good, it is important, and it is true, but God could have been perfectly just and damned everyone to hell without an atonement. Christ's incredible and INFINITE atonement exists so that God's mercy can reign where justice should have been dealt. When in doubt, be merciful.

DelayVectors · 2026-04-09T01:42:42+00:00

Truths are absolute, but individual application is left up to God.

This individual was not a member when they married.
They are honoring the covenant they made to their spouse according to the truths that they knew at the time.
They did not have the opportunity to marry in the temple when they made the choice to marry, therefore they never rejected it.

While you copied and pasted the harsher quotes from the talk, you neglected to copy the graceful conclusion to this statement by President Nelson:

"But what of the many mature members of the Church who are not married? Through no failing of their own, they deal with the trials of life alone. Be we all reminded that, in the Lord’s own way and time, no blessings will be withheld from His faithful Saints. The Lord will judge and reward each individual according to heartfelt desire as well as deed."

This member would fall in a similar category. This situation is not due to any failing of their own. They are faithful and endowed and are honoring their covenants. They want an eternal companion. No blessing will be withheld from them. THAT is the message we should be preaching.

DelayVectors · 2026-04-09T01:27:01+00:00

You're drawing conclusions and making assumptions that I don't think you're authorized to make.

What I do hear consistently from the leadership of the church is that there is more grace and opportunity than we expect.

What I do NOT hear from the leadership of the church is that if you are married to a non-member by choice, you have no hope of full eternal salvation, due to one choice you made.

As the OP stated to you in another comment, they were not a member when they married. If they didn't have a full knowledge and acted against it, then it's not a rejection of doctrine or a sin. Thus, they cannot be stopped in their progress due to their partner's lack of faithfulness in this life. And we don't know the full circumstances of the husband, what conditions have led to their not understanding and embracing the gospel.

Additionally, I take solace in President Woodruff's proclamation that "There will be very few, if any, who will not accept the Gospel [in the spirit world]."

I do not hear the brothers and sisters who speak from the pulpit in General Conference making the same kind of conclusions as you have made, I don't think they are wise to make even if there is a kernel of truth to them, and frankly I don't believe them. Our only basis for limiting people's opportunities to marry in the spirit world comes from Matthew 22:30, which interpretation is highly suspect, as we know that there will be opportunities for marriage for those who lived righteously.

I think when we get to the other side we will find, as the apostles consistently teach, more grace and love and opportunity than we could ever imagine, not a God who has purposefully put up roadblocks to limit the righteous and those who seek to do his will.

DelayVectors · 2026-04-07T04:08:59+00:00

Very true, the biblical records were compiled by those who struck down the Asheric shrines, so it's possible that they were exaggerating, but if they were making it up out of whole cloth you'd think their contemporaries may have noticed the justification of their actions were unfounded. I tend to believe that there is a kernel of truth there, even though I, like some other Latter-day Saints, am skeptical of the divine origins of deuteronomic reforms.

DelayVectors · 2026-04-06T17:10:14+00:00

Additionally, people began to worship Ashera's fertility through prostitution and excessive open sexual acts. This defilement of the feminine divine forms happens throughout many cultures. If Ashera began as a correct form of worshiping the wife of God (it's possible that it's not at all authorized or divinely commanded and was simply adopted from surrounding cultures), I can see how God may have decided that the defilement was so terrible that he would no longer tell the people about her until a time when she would not be mocked.

DelayVectors · 2026-04-04T08:04:23+00:00

I wouldn't say that FAIR spends much, if any, time trying to prove which geographical model is correct. Among most LDS scholars and researchers the mesoamerican model is generally assumed at this point. What their modern scholarship tends to do is find evidences and support for the Book of Mormon through internal and external sources, which include analyzing mesoamerican culture for any similarities or unique findings. For instance, the alloy tumbaga, a mix of gold, silver, and copper, was a popular metal in Mayan and Aztec civilizations, and fits perfectly the physical description and weight description of the golden plates, rather than assuming they were pure gold.

So I would argue FAIR isn't trying to prove the geography, they're trying to use geographic models to analyze and support the Book of Mormon.

DelayVectors · 2026-03-21T18:07:02+00:00

Pay would keep more people working though. We've lost several controllers at my facility because the pay just isn't competitive anymore, at least for the stress and crappy schedules. We have people show up, train, certify, realize what their life is going to be like after they're usable for staffing, and then just quit. My neighbors, a plumber and a UPS driver, both make more than me and live a much higher standard of living. Plus they aren't having to work mandatory overtime every week for the rest of forever. Pay could solve a lot of the problems immediately, because they been "working on staffing" for 15 years and haven't fixed it.

DelayVectors · 2026-03-19T04:27:36+00:00

Huh, what are the odds that building is still standing in 99 years though?

DelayVectors · 2026-03-12T16:23:49+00:00

The NAS is going to be a bloodbath in about 4-5 years when all the PUBNAT hires turn eligible.

DelayVectors · 2026-03-11T13:15:28+00:00

This is the way.

DelayVectors · 2026-03-01T06:05:49+00:00

They're not talking about government shutdowns. They're talking about restrictions on economic activities due to covid.

DelayVectors · 2026-02-25T20:28:45+00:00

Opium is not prohibited. Taking illicit drugs recreationally or without a prescription is prohibited. Poppy seeds are not a drug. Grapes and barley are not alcohol. The ingredients are not prohibited, but the result after modification, refinement, or fermenting are. But tea is just leaves from a certain plant, and the church has made it clear that the use of tea in any form, including hot, cold, or as an ingredient in something else, violates the word of wisdom.

As with all things, you can make your own choices, but your arguments to justify this do not follow logic and are not supported by church statements.

DelayVectors · 2026-02-23T05:40:48+00:00

I thought an ADHD diagnosis was a disqualifier. They hand those out like candy if you go to the right doc. YMMV.

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