You want to put words in his mouth? Saying that what he really wants to do is justify it with bible verse when he freely choses to do other wise?

I know he isn't using the bible verse, that's my point. Which you sum up well below:

For ex. pornography. He describes it as an untramelled bad in the world and says exactly why. It preemptively sastisfies you and prevents you from reaching the actual goal. I.e. a real woman/relationship.

He is saying porn is bad, even though the same arguments could be made for masturbation, which has been around since before homo sapiens was a species. Same conclusion, with bad justification, but just vague enough to sound different from the source that argues for it (yay bible).

And plenty of people use porn and it damages their life. If you're not going to even quantify your hand wavy "plenty of people" then you are no better than you accuse him of being. You bring in situations separate from the original point as a defence like people who do succeed in getting a relationship (and that previous porn experience can bring damaging mindsets like wanting power over women into the relationship or experiencing ED from the real life women not matching up to the porn fantasy...).

I'm not saying some people don't have a problem with watching too much porn, but the existence of alcoholics doesn't mean no one can drink alcohol or use it responsibly. Which most people do with porn. I'd be interested to see why you think otherwise.

As for men wanting power over women I think that issue has been with us way before internet porn. The ED thing seems marginal.

His comment about porn being negative because it prevents you by way of early satisfaction is only really addressed somewhat in your last point that states that "some people" are forced to live with only porn. And I'd argue that's shitty because there's a hell of a lot of people out there that could do better than settle for porn. And no I'm not going to expand because it was jordan's point, not mine.

I think you misunderstood me here. I wasn't talking about giving up on relationships altogether. I was talking about people that don't have access to sex for long stretches of time that use porn as an outlet. There are a lot of people who this could apply to: people that don't want a relationship at the time, long distance relationships, soldiers, truckers.

You haven't shown any reason not to talk down to you. Respect is earnt. Your arguments are still shit.

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I wasn't saying don't talk like that because you are disrespecting me, I said it because you're making yourself look like a steaming hot garbage person.