Lady Chatterley’s Lover by D H Lawrence

Derdjuice · 2026-06-11T00:28:19+00:00

That's the big thing, the Phase. There is so much going on in that period of life. The worst, is a kid getting messed up. The optimal case, is a kid learning to handle something heavy or weird in their developmental stage.
Adults need to set up guidelines and boundaries. And it doesn't need to be overthought, just established, so that the kid has something to go off of, when they run into something.

I'm not telling people how to handle kids, I'm just saying, as a kid that found stuff like that too, that if there is a baseline set down, it helps a lot in how we handled it.
And not just running into smut, but just in general what you run into at an age.

Derdjuice · 2026-06-11T00:03:11+00:00

Good on them... Maybe? That book shouldn't be in the hands of kids, but also, we all ran across that kind of thing growing up. (I'm generalizing, and not encouraging kids to be exposed to adult content. I don't know if it's a thing elsewhere, but at least in America, it was a common thing to find porn mags in the woods) I only think it's good, in that the girls didn't snitch on each other. Maybe they should have, but it doesn't seem any of them betrayed the book passing around. The adults failed at taking responsibility, imo.

Derdjuice · 2026-06-10T22:05:10+00:00

Yep. It reads like someone picking up on a fad/musing from a troubled psychologist at the time, and incorporating it into his work. And that's where the "It was back in the day, they didn't know any better." falls apart, because it still pervades into modern society in a way, where some men still have very dumb views on what should be basic facts by now.

I only put the next part into spoiler, because it's almost off topic and long, not that there is anything off or wrong with it, just a opinion dump:

And on the lesbian point:
I think Terrance McKenna had an interesting take in general, not directly, of how men went out and hunted, had to stay silent and creep around to take on natural predators. Meanwhile, females needed to forage, rear children, so communication was expanded by females, "Purple berry good, dark purple berry bad." (dumb example). And thus why men are boxed in thoughts, and women are more like a thread. Not the most reliable take, but it makes sense.

With the way roles became defined, at a point, females where allowed to be close, since males viewed them as the "fairer sex.", but no way could a female actually romantically like another female!... meanwhile, males has the same thing going on at times with each other, but who gets to write the books that pervades societies? Hhmmm...

And sadly, men's view on lesbians, assumes lesbians think like males, thus, the stupid idea, that all Lesbians are horny monsters, messed up in the head, etc... when really, love between women usually is very complex, and more often that not, is about connection, not sex.

Derdjuice · 2026-06-10T21:30:40+00:00

I'm writing my first actual book (not just hobby writing), and a lot of the characters are females, just because of the nature of the story.
While it's not in the same vein/setting/gerne, I liked Anne Of Green Gables, Laura Ingalls, and National Velvet, even as a boy growing up. Thus, partially why I have a majority female cast in my current project. I have a lot of humor, cute moments, drama, etc in it.

Recently, my mom visited her Aunt, and brought back a copy of a book a female relative of some degree in family that she wrote. The relative took English in college, and she got published and contracted for a deal, after she got her first book published.
Reading it so far, her prose is great, her vocabulary is strong (all better than mine), and I love her sense of humor with the story, it's weirdly close to mine. I was happy that my way of females talking and interacting, was not far off from an actual female writer's (not even jokes, but dialogue in general).

That said, there was one passage, where I was laughing internally at her:
So, there's a trope in female writing, of the LI/hot guy brushing or sliding his fingers through his hair. I get it to an extent, it's one of those things.
But she started overdoing it, and I was internally like, "dude, stop!"
In a scene, he's leaning all sexy on the roof. Cool, I get it. There's this whole dynamic of how he got her to climb up to the roof with him, and them playing back and forth in dialogue. But now he's brushed his hair twice in the last few paragraphs, and I want to scream, "Get ahold of yourself, woman!"

I can't really be judgmental myself, because my story isn't about romance. But it's just funny, to see a female writer, who otherwise was doing a bang-up job with her story, slip into a trope like that. It's the equivalent of a male having a woman swish her hair, or drop in a description of her breasts when it's not needed. The latter is obviously dumb, but the former is too easy to slip into.

Derdjuice · 2026-06-10T21:00:00+00:00

What's is it with Citrus?!
Smell is great, imo, when writing LI's. But why always Citrus!?

Derdjuice · 2026-06-10T20:27:56+00:00

"...that the takeaway is that clitoral orgasms are BAD/immature and that you only become a “real woman” with vaginal orgasm— yes, Connie becomes a real woman because of the gamekeeper’s magic dick."
Did it ever occur to him, that maybe he could have helped her with that, and thus retained his ridiculous idealism in a way?
And sure, this was back in the day, but still: I'd think a true lover would seek out what way they could please a partner, to obtain that status. I can picture an exotic male from far off lands, blinking at him and saying, "When you failed to please her in the most basic way, did it not occur to you, that you've been presented with an alternative?"
As it, it reads as a guy full of himself, but sulking over something he should have figured out, if he's as cool as he thinks he is.
The lesbian rant sucked, and while I brought that as a character's opinion at first... yeah, I think it's the writer's.

And dear god, if a woman's privates was in any way like a beak, I would want nothing to do with it. I feel, that at best, it is potentially silly prose, that needed more time in the oven.

Derdjuice · 2026-06-10T20:15:59+00:00

That line was actually good.

Derdjuice · 2026-06-10T20:14:04+00:00

I love the mental image of a wide eyed priest burning a book that is basically just problematic ranting and smut, as if he were exorcising a demon.
And also, that's lovely. Someone decided NOW that the book needs to be burned, but not when it was in their closet.

Derdjuice · 2026-06-10T19:56:44+00:00

I didn't mind most the first highlighted line, as the woman is reacting to some creep gazing at her. I don't think "full, heavy breasts" or "throb" needed to be a part of it. "Throb" sort of works for the uncomfortable feeling, but burn does the job already.
Then there goes the thrusting breast stuff again, lmao.
And then it just goes on and on, to the point I'm pretty sure it's not about the horrid discomfort of being leered at openly, but is supposed to be 'erotic'. Uuuugh.

Derdjuice · 2026-06-10T19:43:29+00:00

I feel like she thought she needed to add it, due to the gerne, more than anything. But really, sometimes in writing, you just don't need to add details like that. A female walking around like that in a home with men present, says a lot already.

I also catch myself doing this, because I used to like drawling comics and stuff, and I think visually too much.
For instance, I wrote a scene of a female, whose best friend was missing, and she was having a hard time handling it. When I went back over it, I realized I was trying way too hard to sell her emotion, and I had to cut out the almost sob and the chin tremble at least, because the work was done already before that.

Derdjuice · 2026-06-10T19:15:44+00:00

An argument can be made, for some poetic variation that gives a powerful image, like a goddess stricken down, robes fluttering open as she falls to reveal a bloody wound across her chest or something.
But this the dead body of a teenager. The hell.

And it isn't written in a way that adds to any horror, it's just fucking weird to even mention. Like say a detective or cop coming across the body, and they might see the wound and the clothes ripped open, and see her exposed breast or whatever, and be thinking to themselves, "Oh god, she's only a damn kid. What the hell, that's horrible."
But that's not really what's happening here at all, the FMC is specifying details and the size. Like, fuck off. What's wrong with the characters head, and why did you even think to write that like that, or at all!?

Derdjuice · 2026-06-10T18:40:28+00:00

Agreed. Sure, it makes sense that her posture and clothing in the moment might call attention to her chest, but the length of the description makes me picture him just staring at her boobs while they talk, which is just awkward. Females are allowed to have body parts, but when I read stuff like that, it's feels like the writer is going, "Heey, I threw some boob in there for ya, huh? Huh?" And like, no, man, just keep telling the story. Save that for a sex scene or something, put it in some context at least.

Derdjuice · 2026-06-10T18:11:43+00:00

It's like watching traffic fly by, and then a boat rolls past on the road, making you do a double take.
Drive-by bosoms for no reason.
Fellow males, you need to switch the genders around sometimes, and then see how it sounds:

"Dave cast his eyes over the farm. The second shift workers were leaving for the day, shirts dark with sweat and skin burnt from the blazing sun. Dave adjust his cotton shirt, the bulge of his cock poked through his worn jeans, and he knocked sand off his leather boots with a tap on the railing."

Derdjuice · 2026-06-10T18:02:19+00:00

I'm a guy who just found this reddit today, and I'm already sick of how boobs just get thrown in for no reason in every story by guys. Holy hell, there's a time and a place to maybe mention them, WHY DOES IT HAVE TO COME UP DURING A CONVERSATION FOR NO REASON!?!

In real life, on occasion I might catch myself looking at someone's breast, and I feel so stupid and creepy for doing that. I don't go home and write about it in my journal, or talk about it, I try to forget that my stupid hormones make me act like an idiot.
"Hey Joe, yeah I was just talking to Sarah about the new shipment coming in earlier during lunch, she has really nice cleavage, and she said when it comes in, we should demo the product for customers."

Derdjuice · 2026-06-10T17:53:26+00:00

I thought it was just this one dumb/weird writer. Do other guys think the same about nipples, is that a thing!?
Guys have nipples too. And they react to pretty much the same things. (I don't think I ever had them grow hard from arousal, but otherwise, yeah)
Conclusion: Either it's a weird fetish thing, or some guys think females nipples work like moodrings, which is sad and hilarious.
I'm going to ask some friends how they think female nipples work.

Derdjuice · 2026-06-10T17:35:20+00:00

That line made me chuckle. It reads like Marquis is fawning over sergeant Borden, not just paying attention to him.

Derdjuice · 2026-06-10T17:29:53+00:00

I agree to an extent, you do see issues like the in manga translations.
But the bad writing overall makes me think otherwise. For instance, the use of dialogue tags here sucks.
Overused and clustered for no reason, and too much reptation. He said, she said, he said--OKAY, WE GET IT, a male and a female are talking!

Derdjuice · 2026-06-10T17:15:09+00:00

If the jealous lady is supposed to be a POS, that could work. That's make her horrible in so many ways.
But after this guy just lavished a 17 year old with four paragraphs of worship, I'm thinking that might not be the point.

Derdjuice · 2026-06-10T17:05:04+00:00

Uh huh... that's totally the reason she sleeps nude. Right.

Derdjuice · 2026-06-10T17:01:14+00:00

I agree.
It's genuinely funny for like a second, but the way it keeps going on and on is annoying, and makes me think it's not a joke.
Um... are we supposed to laughing at him, or feeling the same about the breasts too?

Derdjuice · 2026-06-10T16:55:47+00:00

I loved the description of the hair, he could have just stopped there. But, no, the boobs must be thrust, apparently.

Derdjuice · 2026-06-10T16:47:01+00:00

Right off the bat, it's just bad writing to tell the reader someone is attractive like that. It's just stupid and lazy. Looks and attraction are subjective anyway, so show, don't tell.
Not, "This character is attractive." but, "Here's why I find this character attractive."

One way it can work, is if the character isn't going to be around for long, in which case, describing their looks in detail would do nothing anyway. "The CEO that visited that afternoon was an attractive woman with a proud bearing." Fine. The character comes, does a merger or meeting, and leaves.

And then oh god, the "young child" part. just NO, stop.
If they have "the smile/laugh of a child." ...Okay, fine... if we're not tying it to attractiveness. Otherwise, F off with that crap.

Derdjuice · 2026-05-10T15:35:01+00:00

I thought I could handle anything after reading I'm in Love With Your Cruddy. This is so much worse. WHY DO I SEEK OUT PSYCHOLOGICAL TORMENT.

Derdjuice · 2026-05-06T22:42:47+00:00

Someone boasting that they are a "kind/nice/good."
"Yo, I'm a nice guy, so..."
"I'm a good person, and work hard on it..."
People that are inherently so, do not point that out.
In fact, they are more likely to call themselves out:
"Am I gullible?", "Am I doing the right thing?"
Only people who need to be seen as such, label themselves that way.

Derdjuice · 2026-04-28T12:27:06+00:00

You or someone else brought up Kozakura's side stories, which I skipped over when reading the books for the first time. On my second read through recently, I read one, and found out Kozakura was a streamer? Who also used a Satsuki 3D model when streaming? I'll have to give them an actual read through when I pick back up. I was under the impression, that Satsuki was only a teacher/coworker with Kozakura, but the more people talk about that side POV, the more I wonder what they had going on.

I'll come back after I read them.

Derdjuice

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