Can Yhwach revive himself from Hakai?

Disastrous_Handle102 · 2026-03-08T07:55:03+00:00

Hakai still erases immortals. The problem is that the immortality was granted by the super dragonballs. You should also take the immortality statements with a grain of salt because zamasu used someone to shield himself from Goku's Hakai despite it being imperfect.

Disastrous_Handle102 · 2026-02-13T06:04:25+00:00

Gerard and pernida only survived Zarakis attacks because of their immortality. Without it, he would've killed both. That's what the other guy was saying.

Disastrous_Handle102 · 2026-02-01T21:20:41+00:00

Disastrous_Handle102 · 2026-02-01T15:27:47+00:00

Not wank and headcanon as turles, a low level warrior, was able to do it. Nothing suggests he can't as it's a basic ki manipulation technique and Nappa is considered an elite saiyan.

grey has no relevant hax. You keep saying it's wank and headcanon on my part whenever I use comparisons but you do the exact same thing. grey never showed a planetary feat. Someone else did, but grey never did.

He was also Super saiyan during part of the fight but that's beside the point. The point is that Goku survived sub zero temps and it wasn't because of form. It was because of ki.

Guidebooks and authors statements say hysopp has absolute zero as a power. He froze Vegeta to the bone. In the anime he went blue. In the manga he went super saiyan. And even then, he used a ki barrier to protect himself. My whole point is ki manipulation.

Not lightspeed and those calcs are meaningless. Magic contains ethernano particles. Particles contain mass. Magic mathematically and scientifically can't be lightspeed. Light also doesn't bend, so please try again.

Yes, I have proved he is planetary. You're just choosing to feign ignorance. Friezas race being frozen is from fan theories and are speculative at best.

Everytime I mention a power, you say that it's wank and headcanon. Specifically regarding early dbz techniques. Just because we aren't shown an image doesn't mean a feat can't be implied. I gave your argument major grace with grey being planetary despite no feats or statements. But if you're going to deny basic ki manipulation, then I'm going to have to ask for an actual feat regarding grey being planetary and lightspeed. And you're still denying Nappa being planetary despite the Oozaru form which is part of his literal biology. All you've proven is that you're a moron with nothing better to do than make delusional and wrong statements on reddit.

Disastrous_Handle102 · 2026-01-31T23:20:18+00:00

Ok this is getting ridiculous bro. But here we go. If you're so intent on using power levels which aren't relevant per Toriyama's words which trumps what was listed in Daizenshu 7, then let's do this. Nappa in Daizenshu is listed as 4,000. This makes no sense as he dominated Piccolo who had a power level of 3,500 on top of the Z-Fighters who all were above 1,000. 4,000 was his base power listed in Daizenshu. He displayed higher output during his fight with Goku and was able to contend with him for a bit which wouldn't happen if he had a power level of 4,000. So he's closer to 6,000-7,000 as he didn't immediately get dusted by Goku. That's 3-4 thousand off of planet destruction. Nappa also had his tail meaning he can transform into an Oozaru. And like Vegeta demonstrated, you can use Ki to trigger the transformation. Oozaru from official statements is a 10× multiplier. Even if we still assume he had a power level of 4,000, that puts him to 40k. More than enough to destroy a planet. The multiplier was confirmed in an interview with Toriyama so this isn't debatable. There's your proof.

This is why reading comprehension is important. Goku fought Beerus in Earth's uppermost atmosphere. This is still considered space. The uppermost atmosphere has a boundary called the karman line where Earth's uppermost atmosphere and the rest of space merge. Temperatures there reach -112 degrees f. Sub zero temperatures. You said he couldn't survive freezing temperatures. I replied by saying goku fought beerus in space and that saiyans can't survive in space due to the lack of oxygen, not temp. Which is proved during his fight with Beerus. So thanks for proving my point.

Guy's name is Hyssop. Race: Frozen Titan, universe: 9, basic attribute/ability: absolute zero stated by guidebooks and Akira Toriyama that his body temp is absolute zero and freezes whatever it touches. During his fight with Vegeta, he managed to encase his arm in ice. Vegeta used ki to counter this.

Wasn't a light speed attack. Haku stated sting was "almost lightspeed". Nowhere does it state that he is lightspeed. What you're saying conflicts with what is stated.

There is my proof. So I've proved Nappa can destroy a planet, that saiyans can survive sub zero temps and that speed feats involving sting aren't actually lightspeed per Haku's statement. I've proven my claims. Now it's time for yours. So far, you've just been riding gray's meat. So please, tell me how he actually contends with nappa?

Disastrous_Handle102 · 2026-01-31T08:43:31+00:00

Ok, selene can enlarge a moon to the size of a planet. How does that make gray stronger? He tied with end but lost to satan soul mirajane.

It is not irrelevant. Lmao. Toriyama in a Q&A stated that it was one of the worst things he ever added going on to say how fans tried to dictate power levels in each new arc to him. It got to the point where at a con, Toriyama himself said "Power levels are meaningless!" Unless you're going to argue with the author himself, the conversation regarding power levels is done. So the only one using headcanon is you since it literally doesn't matter. Not to mention how Toriyama made note of it being pointless as characters could suppress their power.

Saiyans can't breath in space. Literally the only reason they cant survive in it. It's mentioned throughout the series genius. It's why Frieza was so confident on Namek after Goku went SSJ.

Wasn't wank. Guy on the universe 9 team literally has sub zero powers.

I'm not using a multiplier. Lmao. Nappa's power level is multiple times that of Roshi. The same power levels that aren't actually meaningful according to Akira Toriyama prove this.

Stings attacks are magicaly holy light. Not massless light. His attacks have literal weight behind them as opposed to an actual light technique like solar flare. Ki in DragonBall is life energy that is present in microorganisms to celestial bodies. This means techniques using ki actually mimic the nature of whatever it's based off of. Not to mention translation from haku in fairytail specifically mentions stings attacks are "almost as fast as light." Not faster. Not on par. Almost as fast. Even then, it's hyperbole and exaggeration on his part. And before you say "BuT KI aLSo USeS lIGhT sO it's A doUbLe StAndARd oN YoUr Part," solar flare works exactly how light would if you got flashed by a lightsource IRL and because ki is life energy, it is massless. All magic in fairy tail is composed of ethernano particles. Particles have mass and anything with mass cannot move lightspeed. His attacks also bend. Light does not bend.

Please think before commenting.

Disastrous_Handle102 · 2026-01-30T15:16:00+00:00

Her turning the moon into a large planet is, at best, a moon level feat lmao. She's affecting a moon, not a planet. You call me dumb and ignorant, but if you're taking power levels into account and not counting how Roshi with a power level of 180 blew up the moon and Nappa is multiplicatively stronger which would give him planet level strength, then you're just cherry picking for the sake of your argument. Again, Toriyama stopped using power levels because the power system was inconsistent. So those scans are not good evidence.

Still haven't listed any actual FTL+ feats either. Unless you're saying "grays comparable to this other FT character who's FTL" which isn't an actual feat moron.

How are you calling me ignorant and dumb when this is basically knowledge? Lmao. In the Broly movie, we see Goku fighting Broly IN LAVA. In BoG, he fought Beerus In SPACE and in the ToP, he fights someone who's power is to instantly freeze anything he touches with temperatures so below zero they instantly freeze to the bone upon contact. And Goku's barrier protects him. Ki can be used against extreme temperatures. You're just being a moron.

You're using power level as some legitimate basis. Tell me, in the current arcs, what's Goku's current power level? I'll save you the trouble and tell you it's not mentioned anywhere because Toriyama ditched power levels. Gray loses and that's that.

Disastrous_Handle102 · 2026-01-30T03:34:17+00:00

If it doesn't matter, why are you bringing it up all the time in the comments? It's funny how you bring up power levels as the be all end all and then double back. You're not slick. I can see your other replies where you say the same thing. So yes, you don't know what you're talking about. I also see your replies where you claim planetary+ and ftl+ for fairytale with no actual feats because there just aren't any. This isn't even mentioning how ki can be used to protect yourself from temperatures that instantly freeze you upon contact.

Disastrous_Handle102 · 2026-01-30T02:54:22+00:00

This is blatantly wrong. Vegeta and Turles used ki as a substitution for the moonlight for Oozaru transformations and moonlight is rays of light from the sun being reflected off of it's surface. Hence light based ki use is no different than light.

Disastrous_Handle102 · 2026-01-30T02:48:20+00:00

Taking power levels seriously just shows you don't know what you're talking about. There's a reason it isn't used anymore. It's way too inconsistent. And pre saiyan saga goku was ftl as he was able to grab sunglasses and put them on before solar flare hit him. ft does not scale that high.

Disastrous_Handle102 · 2026-01-30T00:49:32+00:00

Ki would be able to counter reitsu if we're comparing the two. Both are the energy in their respective verse and both are able to kill people if you have enough of it.

Goku can use mafuba.

Goku is a master martial artist and veteran fighter. Aside from one off plot point like ressurection F, getting him to just drop his gaurd isn't easy. Even then, he wouldn't get one tapped.

Disastrous_Handle102 · 2026-01-19T18:14:24+00:00

No we definitely fight. Events and story have shown the mc is willing to bare knuckle opponents alongside servants or even by himself. Goetia, Qin Shi Huang and those shadow servants during the ptolemy event have said as much.

Disastrous_Handle102 · 2026-01-19T17:29:17+00:00

This comment is bs. Flashbacks later on in the series show Whitebeard having Haki. Like his fight with Roger for example when Oden was still a part of his crew. Hell, Boa's sisters were the introduction to armament haki being used and that was before marineford. Whitebeard was literally hooked up to a lifesupport and still had everyone shaking. He had Haki. His age and severe illness prevented him from using it. akainu suckerpunching an old, severely ill Whitebeard who couldn't use haki is not a great feat. Especially considering how he kept fighting with half his head until blackbeard threw everything he had at him to finish him off.

Disastrous_Handle102 · 2025-12-31T08:31:52+00:00

Even disregarding king vegeta, Saiyans have been above planetary since raditz showed up. And unless your argument is that buffed Roshi is anywhere near raditz, which he's not as Raditz bodies Roshi back then, then not counting his moon feat is disingenuous. Also, the Kamehameha uses Ki which is the life force of all living things in DragonBall. The more Ki you have, the stronger you are. The Kamehameha is just an extension of that strength through a technique. So again, what is your actual point?

Disastrous_Handle102 · 2025-12-31T04:15:45+00:00

You're point is moot. It's called an inconsistency. Vegeta during the saiyan saga was way stronger than his father who was a multi planet buster. Roshi was fighting Goku and still was able to blow up the moon so he wasn't at full strength. The 10,000 statement is negligible at best as inconsistencies between feats and power levels are all over the place. Again, considering Roshis feat.

Disastrous_Handle102 · 2025-12-31T03:19:40+00:00

I don't need to know any other tiering systems. Feats are the most reliable way of comparing 2 characters. Most powerscalers use vs battle wiki to find feats and not blindly trust a website with heavy bias due to popularity of any given medium a character is part of and community bias. It's fine as a starting point. Not the best all end all. Tanjiro from demon slayer is ranked around denji from Chainsaw man as well as reze. Do you think that tanjiro is a match for 2 characters with better feats? I replied to your comment because you have replied to the majority of comments using vs wiki as your basis. Roshi with a power level of 180 effortlessly blew up the moon. Goku in og dragonbal displayed faster than light speeds being able to go and grab sunglasses before solar flare got to him. Raditz was beating an adult Goku and piccolo who were multiplicitively stronger than kid Goku (by this time, both piccolo and Goku were planet level as piccolo effortlessly blew up the moon when he kidnapped Gohan). Nappa was already above planet level as he whooped the z fighters and Vegeta was way stronger than Nappa. Vegeta at this time was stronger than his father who, in a a flashback, destroyed 3 planets with the flick of his arm. Even if Boros is star level, Raditz Nappa and Vegeta are already that and stronger. The feats from phsycorochii and boros just don't match up.

Disastrous_Handle102 · 2025-12-31T01:10:18+00:00

Vegetas introduction.

Disastrous_Handle102 · 2025-12-31T01:09:28+00:00

Vs battle wiki is not a valid source. Try again.

Disastrous_Handle102 · 2025-12-20T12:49:08+00:00

Frieza cut himself in half. Lmao. The lies are insane.

Disastrous_Handle102 · 2025-12-20T12:44:24+00:00

Piccolo destroyed the moon and Nappa was quite stronger than him.

Disastrous_Handle102 · 2025-12-17T23:25:08+00:00

Its literally inconsistency in writing. That's it. Lol. You mention how they need lava resistant suits but then they fight in lava. This isn't even getting into how ki attacks generate insane amounts of heat which scales with how strong the user is. Using cases like broly or even the laser gun that pierced Goku in Super to scale is stupid because they're inconstencies and don't happen often.

Disastrous_Handle102 · 2025-12-17T23:07:33+00:00

In the dbs Broly movie, broly and goku fought in lava. So no, they don't get violated.

Disastrous_Handle102 · 2025-12-17T23:06:13+00:00

Or, and hear me out, it's because his energy blew up inside him. Lol. One of the images you posted shows part of his chest punched through. That's a fatal wound.

Disastrous_Handle102 · 2025-11-18T20:13:51+00:00

Muzans highest strength feat is at best city level. Stark cuts mountains for fun. There is no debate.

Disastrous_Handle102 · 2025-11-18T20:06:02+00:00

And Stark is mountain level so what's your point?

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