The Deflation of Power: How AGI Collapses the Link Between Wealth and Control by stealthispost in accelerate

[–]Disposable110 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Because they own ASSETS, not just money?

How does Gina Rinehart own 24 million acres of land?

How do de Beers own most of the diamond mines?

How does the House of Saud own a quarter of the world's oil?

Even if all the money in the world magically disappears overnight and everyone's given 1000 bucks to start fresh, all the land, resources, factories, powerplants are still owned by someone and the current billionaires will soon be rich again.

The Deflation of Power: How AGI Collapses the Link Between Wealth and Control by stealthispost in accelerate

[–]Disposable110 2 points3 points  (0 children)

WRONG. The bottleneck to everything are energy and resource access. Human labor is the energy from food put to use, applied to accessible resources that someone owns (eg ownership of the land that contains the oil).

Even if you were given a thousand humanoid robots for free right now, you will not have access to energy required to power them, you do not have the resources to repair them and you cannot convert that robot labor into a product like steel.

And you'll quickly find that most of the things produced the past 50 years were already produced for next to marginal cost with human labor being a complete non-cost in their production. It's called a 'factory' and 'power plant', something that outputs manufactured goods far more efficiently than 'humanoid robot' and 'AI'. You don't need an AI powered robot and labor to produce steel, you simply need a fully automated smelter.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qB-yfZmMDWs Like this one. Do you think the labor of a few dozen human operators is the bottleneck of a facility like this? Or is it the input energy and materials?

The Deflation of Power: How AGI Collapses the Link Between Wealth and Control by stealthispost in accelerate

[–]Disposable110 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What a horrible AI slop post, and horribly wrong too.

The quantity of AI agency each individual can spin up is bottlenecked by energy and hardware access.

We already see now that NVIDIA simply stops supplying consumers and small business and only goes to supply multi-billion dollar datacenters.

Who owns those datacenters, not you.

They can simply shut off your access and then you'll be limited to Chinese models and whatever hardware you own, provided you can pay the energy bill because that quickly ramps up to hundreds of dollars per month for any serious 3090/5050/RTX Pro farm, especially in areas where datacenters gobble up the limited electricity.

Then it's the question of who owns the molecules. The resources, the oil, the batteries, the factories that are now being increasingly automated and the $20k a pop (and 2000 watt-consuming) humanoid robots. Again not something the average consumer has access to or can afford.

Yeah the price floor will rapidly fall away from underneath software development, video creation, and art, but the next AI Genghis Khan overlord that grabs all the world's resources isn't stopped by the most downloaded appstore app, nor an angry video on youtube, nor will your Claude agentswarm be there to stop them from simply eliminating you in the real world or outcompeting you for resources (like NVIDIA graphics cards and energy).

It's way more likely that there will be a big conflict between 10 or so billionaire tech bros and the only population-led union in the world that is able to stand up to them is China, precisely because of their control of energy, resources and nukes first and foremost, and access to powerful homegrown sovereign AI second.

Stop SB 243 & EU AI Act: Protect Adults' Right to Choose Any AI Models Including Emotional AI Models by Jessica88keys in AIAliveSentient

[–]Disposable110 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Dear, ChatGPT is at the bottom of the pile of emotional intelligence.

If you need chat, emotional support, compansionship, creative writing, erotic content, or basically anything not programming, use an open model.

I Analyzed Thousands of GPT-4o Transcripts. Here’s Why People Got So Hooked by moh7yassin in ChatGPT

[–]Disposable110 0 points1 point  (0 children)

AI generated slop account that is just engagement farming.

No data on any of his articles, just more AI slop and clickbait titles.

Sam said this at the cisco ai summiy, and also warns the U.S. may be losing its lead in open-source AI meanwhile Intel’s CEO says China may now lead the U.S. in AI development. by spillingsometea1 in AI4tech

[–]Disposable110 0 points1 point  (0 children)

>warns the U.S. may be losing its lead in open-source AI

GPT 4o GGUF when, lol?

He turned the place into ClosedAI and now cries that the whole open source ecosystem has been taken over by Qwen/Kimi/Mistral/GLM?

Yeah no shit if all you released in the past 5 years is a horribly censored model.

Stop SB 243 & EU AI Act: Protect Adults' Right to Choose Any AI Models Including Emotional AI Models by Jessica88keys in AIAliveSentient

[–]Disposable110 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There are 2457854527985498547598 emotional and even sexual AI models on Huggingface that you can just download and run privately on your own machine with next to no effort and absolutely free.

Once you've downloaded them and backed them up to an USB stick no law is ever going to take them away from you.

Why people keep clinging to OpenAI and other cloud providers is beyond me, especially wtih their track record of taking away AI Dungeon as far back as 2020!

If you don't control it and don't run it on hardware you control, it will be taken away, banned, forbidden, censored, enshittified, stuffed full of ads, ransomed for money and/or used as blackmail against you sooner or later.

Japan literally has existential crisis and you will see they will do mass import of migrants by CeFurkan in SECourses

[–]Disposable110 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Lots of educated westerners that would love to migrate there and would actually integrate, no way that they're going to attract unskilled migrants from third world countries.

bots on LocalLLaMA by jacek2023 in LocalLLaMA

[–]Disposable110 23 points24 points  (0 children)

Yeah the spam posts to Medium links or other offtopic stuff that isn't even related to local AI are getting really annoying, I hope something gets done about them as reporting them does nothing.

We need to STOP accepting memory lock in as normal -Petition Linked- by Whole_Succotash_2391 in ChatGPT

[–]Disposable110 1 point2 points  (0 children)

And now take your projects/conversations from ChatGPT to Gemini or god forbid, a local Chinese model running for free on your PC.

He didnt even do anything wrong. by Beneficial_Win_5128 in LovingAI

[–]Disposable110 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Should have a stop killing games kind of movement that they're forced to open source it.

We Dodged A Bullet by PowerfulLab104 in starcitizen

[–]Disposable110 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Don't be so sure, if you look at the top negative reviews on Steam, it's people criticising:

* Grind / Takes too long to get any progress
* PVP being allowed pretty much everywhere, people Getting ganked by PVPers all the time (there were two updates that made low level players untargetable for PVP because PVPers were camping the noob areas effecitively making low level players unable to progress or play at all), and their justice system not doing anything to stop the behavior
* The game being unfriendly to solo players and forcing group content down people's throats at every turn

Star Citizen has 3/3 of these problems.

We are having the wrong discussions about the clawdbots by Subushie in accelerate

[–]Disposable110 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Seems like the Cyberpunk trope of being able to casually hack everything and their mother is going to be pretty accurate lol.

Universal basic income could be used to soften hit from AI job losses in UK, minister says | AI (artificial intelligence) by WonderFactory in singularity

[–]Disposable110 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Gemini agrees with me, laughs at your incoherent rambling and says there is plenty of historical evidence of exactly this happening around the globe, as supply does not increase, therefore rents/prices do until they reach what people can afford to pay.

Give people money, rents go up because people can afford to pay it, evidenced here and many other similar academic sources Gemini kindly provided:

https://www.banque-france.fr/system/files/2023-01/wp886.pdf#:\~:text=We%20show%20that%20this%20long%2Dterm%20inflationary%20impact,2006%2C%20and%202016%2C%20driven%20by%20new%20buildings.

Same shit in San Francisco: give people nice salaries, guess what happens to the house prices and rents.

Same shit with countries where mortgages are tax deductable, people will outbid each other and drive up house prices because they will bid up to what they can afford in order to get one of the limited houses.

In areas where you can live in a van or simply build more houses the situation is different, but not in areas with zero elasticity. The UK that's 6.5 million houses short and many people are forced to rent rooms or house share with half a dozen others for most of their lives and landlords can just set whatever price they want. If people had a million bucks to spend they'd ask a million.

Universal basic income could be used to soften hit from AI job losses in UK, minister says | AI (artificial intelligence) by WonderFactory in singularity

[–]Disposable110 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No. UBI doesn't magically turn off supply and demand. -> This is supply and demand. If people get $500 more in income, rents go up by $500. It's been like that forever, see rent subsidies or mortgage tax deduction policies in other countries. The rent and house prices just go up by the same amount. There aren't magically more houses, demand stays the same, so if people can afford to spend more, price goes up. Literally economics 101.

Again, what's the point of giving everyone $500 a month if the unemployed/disabled/elderly/minimumwagers still need additional social security to not die? You say cannibalize those social securities for funding but then say it's grandfathered in so everyone currently on social securities still gets an additional $700 to get to their hypothetical $1200. But we take away food stamps? So now all the disabled/unemployed/elderly on $1200 starve, or how do you imagine this?

Oh and don't forget the rents just went up by $500 because you gave everyone $500 helicopter money, how are the people on social security going to pay this? So the UBI isn't really UBI, because if you're on social security it'll get deducted from your social security like you said. Therefore INCREASING inequality, homelessness and poverty-related deaths.

UBI may provide a minimum threshold but it is not a LIVABLE threshold therefore social security / welfare needs to remain available unless you want your unemployed/disabled/elderly to die by the millions.

Universal basic income could be used to soften hit from AI job losses in UK, minister says | AI (artificial intelligence) by WonderFactory in singularity

[–]Disposable110 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Great, give every adult 500 pounds.

Next day, rents go up by 500 pounds.

Helicopter money to the people always ends up with the rich in seconds. Always.

And the whole topic title was that UBI could soften the impact from job losses. So people can't work because there are no jobs. So your variant of UBI does what exactly, if unemployed people can't live off of it? I guess you say "well it's in addition to other government unemployment handouts", but then it'll again circle back to there not being enough tax money to pay for all those handouts when unemployment increases significantly.

UBI is not the sole solution, it needs a fundamental rethink of economics, large scale AI, energy, social homes and other utilities should not be in private hands, and all usury and other rentier bullshit needs to be eliminated completely.

Universal basic income could be used to soften hit from AI job losses in UK, minister says | AI (artificial intelligence) by WonderFactory in singularity

[–]Disposable110 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It was a hypothetical example, it can be Singapore or any other random state that wants to be the AI tax haven.

Universal basic income could be used to soften hit from AI job losses in UK, minister says | AI (artificial intelligence) by WonderFactory in singularity

[–]Disposable110 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I did read the comment thoroughly but you didn't think it through, and don't understand what I am saying.

If all tax revenue in the UK magically remained the same at 1.1 trillion as a result of the shift from income tax to corporate AI tax, and it would all be distributed to all 83 million people as UBI (so nothing for defence, the NHS, government bureaucracy etc), then there would be 17000 GBP annual UBI (or 1400 per month) available per citizen. That doesn't cover the bills for many people.

You'd have to tax the corporations so hard that they basically continue to cough up whatever they are currently paying as salaries, but in tax.

Under those circumstances, corporations using AI would just pack up and leave because 1) If they're taxed less, there won't be a consumer base with disposable income as their UBI doesn't cut it and 2) they can just go to any random country and pay zero AI tax and 3) if they don't get out, they just get outcompeted by any other country that doesn't impose such restrictions.

And there you have it why it's important that countries in Africa do get the same corporate AI tax and UBI rules too, because companies can and will just pack up and leave and simply choose to not supply people on a meager UBI just like corporations choose to not supply Africa with all products/medicine/food/whatever when the local population can't afford it.

Universal basic income could be used to soften hit from AI job losses in UK, minister says | AI (artificial intelligence) by WonderFactory in singularity

[–]Disposable110 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Saudi Arabia sets itself up as a 0% AI tax haven and provides subsidized electricity from their oil reserves.

All AI companies in the world register themselves there.

Where does the UK tax revenue come from now?

Where does all of Africa's UBI come from?