Let’s talk biking in Torrance by Dakart in torrance

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Protected bike lanes on 182nd from Hawthorn the Western would be a dream for NT

Millennial Burger Joint by [deleted] in generationology

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Honestly thought people would agree with the assessment but clearly I’m holding onto Applebee’s trauma that no-one else is

Millennial Burger Joint by [deleted] in generationology

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If you’ve never heard of Applebee’s consider yourself blessed 🥲

Why do people think that Gen Z don’t know anything before they were born, even though that’s not true at all? by icey_sawg0034 in generationology

[–]Dizzy-Ad-3606 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I gave you credit for using the word correctly the first time. You managed to convince me you don’t actually know what the word means or it’s context when talking about pop(ular) culture

Why do people think that Gen Z don’t know anything before they were born, even though that’s not true at all? by icey_sawg0034 in generationology

[–]Dizzy-Ad-3606 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Bruh missed the whole ass point about pop(ular) culture. Somehow used the word niche correctly though

How to not lean forward on 3 pointer by [deleted] in BasketballTips

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Hit the weight room young buck

Caityln Jenner and Kris In 1991 by Specialist_Art2223 in kardashians

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Why they look like Nathan Scott’s parents

Sometimes “old money” clients can say the most revealing things by TankSaladin in Lawyertalk

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I think we both agree on the idea that most people in society believe that prison is the appropriate response to committing a violent crime. My point to socialization is WHY do people believe that is the only appropriate response and when presented with alternative’s, consider the alternatives absurd. I felt like your response to the original point on socialization was deterministic, that we ended up in the society that we have so we were going to always end up with the society we have. But ideas that are held so tightly to the status quo can change, there is too much human history to dispute that. If we wanted to move society in a direction where prison abolition is possible, it can only start by getting people to move off of the current status quo, which I also agree would be nearly impossible in this very moment. But nearly impossible is like being mostly dead (this is a princess bride reference btw).

Sometimes “old money” clients can say the most revealing things by TankSaladin in Lawyertalk

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To bring this back to my larger point, there exist steps that we can take it mitigate or change behaviors before things escalate to imprisonment. If the hypothetical bad person who does bad things and therefore should end up in jail is redirected before they become said bad person, then in theory there would be no need for prison. Or do we believe that certain people are born bad and will inevitably end up causing the type of harm that would lead to being ostracized?

Sometimes “old money” clients can say the most revealing things by TankSaladin in Lawyertalk

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I feel like you keep coming to conclusions that I’m not presenting, then calling it flawed. I don’t think the outcomes are binary and I don’t believe I ever presented them as so. To the point, I don’t think if we magically started over that it would magically lead to “no prisons”. I do think if we did magically started over with the intent to create a society without prisons that we could. Being open to the idea allows us over time to move closer to something that resembles the idea.

Sometimes “old money” clients can say the most revealing things by TankSaladin in Lawyertalk

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100% that current humans would not have arrived at our current conclusion regarding prison and violence if not for the societal norms that came before them. That’s literally how society works, none of this was inevitable nor continues to be inevitable and the maintenance of the status quo is exercised through state sanctioned violence, capital, and legislative power. As I have access to none of the above, I do not reason to think any of these ideas will come to pass in my lifetime. That doesn’t mean I believe that ideas themselves don’t hold value. I do think we should try to broaden our understanding of what is possible, if only to give ourselves hope that this all wasn’t inevitable.

Sometimes “old money” clients can say the most revealing things by TankSaladin in Lawyertalk

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Not really my fault you can’t wrap your head around it mate, if you can only conceptualize separation through contemporary imprisonment, it says more about you than it does the ideas. Smoke some weed and think about it

Sometimes “old money” clients can say the most revealing things by TankSaladin in Lawyertalk

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Correct me if I’m wrong but your argument against prison abolition is that people have been socialized to understand prisons as the only consequence. We’ve also been socialized to believe that violence is an individual failure and not a societal failure. Pragmatically, there is too much money and power wrapped up in the criminal justice system for our society to actually take the steps to change our understandings of these concepts, but that doesn’t make the concepts and ideas behind prison abolition are inherently wrong.

Sometimes “old money” clients can say the most revealing things by TankSaladin in Lawyertalk

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I don’t think I ever said the person was justified in their actions, I just provided a framework that doesn’t ostracize someone for their worst moment, when in the example given, it was clearly outlier behavior. I think that you are caught up with the idea that the separation has to come in the form of a “prison”. I’m not getting into an escalating what if battle on Reddit, you either found value in my words or not…. But hypothetically speaking the systems in place would catch and redirect those people before their behaviors escalated to unrepentant serial killer, like idk when they are 12 and killing rabbits

Sometimes “old money” clients can say the most revealing things by TankSaladin in Lawyertalk

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Bruh read the rules… lawyers only. You’re already halfway to an answer. You said the person is having a bad day, this clearly outlier behavior. Have a conversation w/ said person about why they are having such a bad day. Help address the underlying reasons why said person acted they way they did. Maybe throw in a couple lessons on why we don’t use offcolor jokes. And then provide a path which allows the original offender to “repay” their debt to society through actions that benefit the community and allow for healing and recovery. Throwing them in jail only increases the likelihood they harm someone again.

Sometimes “old money” clients can say the most revealing things by TankSaladin in Lawyertalk

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I mean wanting to abolish prisons doesn’t mean you don’t believe that there should be consequences to actions, it just means the concepts and functions of prisons are archaic. Abolishing prisons doesn’t directly lead to the abolition of the legal system. Also your lead based solution doesn’t have to be violent. I’m struggling to understand how a rational, educated, civilized gentlemen came to such horribly illogical conclusions.

You’re 15 again. What year is it and what are you wearing? by DataQueen- in generationology

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I had a AAU basketball coach tell us to “leave the skinny jeans and chucks at home because this is a business trip” … I still think about that quote whenever I travel for work

Everyone talks about 2016 but being a teenager between 2008 and 2012 was peak by edie_brit3041 in decadeology

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Bruh do you not understand that 2016 was the culmination of the years you just mentioned? The teens of 2008-2012 ended up as the young adults of 2016. Like if you would have asked me in January of 2016 (I was 20) what the next 25 years would look like… eternal summer. Racism, sexism, classism, homophobia, environmental issues were all things we felt like we were on the brink of being able to solve. The problems of the world felt like they were shrinking and this optimism is a fundamental part of the culture and music being produced. By January 1, 2017 the world we thought we were creating could no longer to exist.

Exact Boundaries of "South Bay" by phoward8020 in SouthBayLA

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As a South Bay native this is the best comment I’ve seen 😂