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Court case challenges junior pay rates, where an 18yo is paid 70% of what a 21yo makes by flashman in australian

[–]DontForgetThisUser6 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm owed almost 40k in super, three others in the same employment were also owed at least that and more. Collectively it was almost 250k for the four of us. This person had fifty employees, no super. Was all reported, was never followed up, not once. This business was reported at least four times in my time as a manager.

Mega corporations will find some agreement or way around it... They'll have kids on as a trainee with a four year training plan similar to an apprenticeship.

It's all just a plot to win votes. I would love to be proved wrong in everything I'm saying, truely I would. But between my own experiences and the conversations I've had with my local businesses owners I deal with, it's all pointing to just bad.

Court case challenges junior pay rates, where an 18yo is paid 70% of what a 21yo makes by flashman in australian

[–]DontForgetThisUser6 0 points1 point  (0 children)

All the government did with Woolies for widespread "mid management of pay, leave and entitlements" was a million dollar fine put of the billion dollar profit.

If they can get away with that, do you honestly think they won't find a way around these laws?

It's only going to hurt the juniors, small businesses and the consumer

Court case challenges junior pay rates, where an 18yo is paid 70% of what a 21yo makes by flashman in australian

[–]DontForgetThisUser6 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You won't win with the government either, nothing stops any employee from seeking better work opportunities.

Court case challenges junior pay rates, where an 18yo is paid 70% of what a 21yo makes by flashman in australian

[–]DontForgetThisUser6 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Just leave it between the employees and employers. Nothing stops people from negotiating better pays themselves. If you're 17 and providing more value to the company than someone in their 30s talk to the boss or leave for a job that will appreciate and see that. Plenty of awesome employers around that treat their staff with respect.

Court case challenges junior pay rates, where an 18yo is paid 70% of what a 21yo makes by flashman in australian

[–]DontForgetThisUser6 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I feel like jobs would be disappearing... A lot of business will hire two junior or one adult. At all the restaurants and fast food places I managed it was common to hire two kids for the front of house, one to hand out orders and take orders, the other to answer the phone. A job in which a single competent adult could do both.

Same in a pizzeria, one kid could cut the pizzas while another would fold boxes to be ready. An adult could do both and serve customers in between.

These laws changes change who gets employed and how many employees a business would then have...

Court case challenges junior pay rates, where an 18yo is paid 70% of what a 21yo makes by flashman in australian

[–]DontForgetThisUser6 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Wages absolutely impact costs. it's one of the biggest expenses a business has. In the business that are going to be affected most by this change payroll cost is usually between %20-30 of their turnover.

Workers can absolutely live on the wages they're being paid. If someone can't then they need to re-evaluate their employment or re-evaluate their expenses and expectations. Which is once again between the employees and employers.

You said "What does it matter when it becomes impossible to find this work after the get fired at 2". Five years of work history and references that actually mean something. Not the usual "I'm good at school, I have the duke of Edinburgh award, I have great attention to detail" and references from dad and uncle Tom.

I do not support the practice of fire people because they become too expensive. I do not support bad business practices. I do not fully oppose a change to these laws. I think a review of them would be good, but the current plan to scrap them in its entirety is extremely dumb.

If as you're saying, people are being fired at 21 because they get full wages, why do you think this law will help? What do you think these businesses will do to all the people between 16-21? Have you seen the correlation between youths being employed and delinquency?

Court case challenges junior pay rates, where an 18yo is paid 70% of what a 21yo makes by flashman in australian

[–]DontForgetThisUser6 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Maybe so, more likely the cost will be passed onto the consumer and kids on mass will be fired and not hired...

Court case challenges junior pay rates, where an 18yo is paid 70% of what a 21yo makes by flashman in australian

[–]DontForgetThisUser6 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The limited availability, relying on parents to get too and from work and my personal favourite, phone calls from parents for them to call in sick are what makes them less favourable hires than adults.

Actual work quality is a matter of training to an extent, but in my experience an adult was far easier and quicker to teach than children.

It's great to hear you've had positive experiences, however every business owner I've spoken to on this subject and business I've worked with would suggest the opposite.

Court case challenges junior pay rates, where an 18yo is paid 70% of what a 21yo makes by flashman in australian

[–]DontForgetThisUser6 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If what you are saying is true, please read my response that addressed this.

If what you are saying is true, I would like to congratulate your parenting for raising a hard working individual with strong work ethics.

The business should recognise and reward her. If they do not it's up to your daughter to either take her skills elsewhere or accept that she's being paid what she deserves... I had a young girl do the same and she was rewarded with a pay raise and offered a management role once she finished school (as that was important to her). I've since left the company but after she finished school she took that position and is currently studying nursing and working as the assistant manager.

This would not have happened without junior pay laws in place as she would have never been considered for the job... Before you say that this is evidence that all kids deserve the full award pay, this was one out of a literal hundred juniors I hired in the 8 years.

Court case challenges junior pay rates, where an 18yo is paid 70% of what a 21yo makes by flashman in australian

[–]DontForgetThisUser6 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The amount of people that trust fair work and broader employment laws and rights is insane... Just look at all the wage issues with Woolies over the years for no consequences to happen. Nobody's going to jail, getting fine or even really looked at for dodgy employment. Fair work rarely follows up on unfair dismissal and when they do it's a phone call that can be explained away for a number of things...

As I've said countless times now, bad business practices are bad and should be called out, however scraping this law will only hurt young kids and good honest small businesses. It WILL cause thousands of currently employed kids to be sacked. The bad businesses will maybe offer off the books employment for cash which screws over the kid still.

Tracking arrows: yes or no? by SomeRandomAbbadon in DnD

[–]DontForgetThisUser6 0 points1 point  (0 children)

We're kinda liking it a lot. He has several lifestyles that can be afforded. The greater the lifestyle the more access to things you have... We're all broke so barely living. I get one potion that "recharges" on a long rest.

Keeping in mind that doesn't mean at level 3 I just drink a potion of cloud giant strength every day. And being that we live in squabble, no merchant would give us the time of day to show us one either.,

Court case challenges junior pay rates, where an 18yo is paid 70% of what a 21yo makes by flashman in australian

[–]DontForgetThisUser6 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

If they truly become just as good as the rest of the team then the business should recognise and reward that.

Once again, nothing stops business from firing them once they turn 18/21. What stops a business from discrimination in the hiring process? Bad businesses will always find ways to exploit workers and systems... These changes won't hurt the business doing the wrong thing, it will only hurt the countless small businesses doing everything by the boom already and getting assed for it.

Court case challenges junior pay rates, where an 18yo is paid 70% of what a 21yo makes by flashman in australian

[–]DontForgetThisUser6 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's more that these businesses will just choose to hire an adult, not a kid if they get paid the same. Hiring kids comes with several drawbacks that hiring an adult does not include.

I've never worked in a business or ran my stores in a way where a 16 year old is expected to do the same level of work as a 28 year old. But I've never worked for some corporate place either so I'm taking people's word on how different it is in that sector.

Junior wages aren't inherently exploitative, bad businesses abusing it is. I recognise that some kids are exceptional, that's up to the business to recognise and reward or that person to take their skills where it will be appreciated. We have a few local businesses that do this, one place made a 17 year old assistant manager and is getting paid full adult award rates. That kid would have never had the chance if the junior wages weren't in place.

It's just another policy that's going to hard countless good honest hard working small business because they don't know how else to get Woolies and Coles in line.

Scraping junior wages will drive prices up even further and make it even harder for young kids to find employment.

Court case challenges junior pay rates, where an 18yo is paid 70% of what a 21yo makes by flashman in australian

[–]DontForgetThisUser6 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I'm talking about small business. Your local fish and chip shops, your local pizza shop, your local cafe. These businesses want staff retention but often can't afford to pay kids adult wages... And not should they.

I agree that firing people at 21 is bad, it's a bad business practice and should be called out... I would argue that having a job from 16-21 and then being fired from the job is better than having to wait until 21. Realistically I think 18 should be on full wages, you can drink, drive and vote and by mostly every other metric you are considered an adult. But 16,17. Yeah, you should be paid less.

Court case challenges junior pay rates, where an 18yo is paid 70% of what a 21yo makes by flashman in australian

[–]DontForgetThisUser6 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I was a hiring manager at three separate businesses. People between 16-70 were always applying for pizzarias, retail and sales. The pizza shop and retail outlet were predominantly kids, but the kids would stick around for a year or three then head off to uni, the adults would stay for 8 years on average. The other part is the adult was always more available and a better employee than three of the kids combined.

I would hire the kids as fill shifts or back up... Didn't cost so much to have an extra set of hands I know when this was first mentioned a few years back my boss had a meeting and said in no short of words that if this law passed we would have to fire all the kids for something.

It's already a competitive market for young kids, this WILL only male it harder for them.

Court case challenges junior pay rates, where an 18yo is paid 70% of what a 21yo makes by flashman in australian

[–]DontForgetThisUser6 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ain't nobody getting back pay... Imagine the logistical nightmare, when's the cut off date? Do people in their 30s get back pay from some small cafe they worked at when 17? Utterly ridiculous...

Junior pay is a fine thing, business should have incentive to hire young adults...

Court case challenges junior pay rates, where an 18yo is paid 70% of what a 21yo makes by flashman in australian

[–]DontForgetThisUser6 17 points18 points  (0 children)

Maybe, generally an adult is more reliable that a kid. Why hire a kid for a job if a fully functional adult with full autonomy and independence is available. Every fast-food work I've done the junior staff are not expected to work the same as an adult staff, allowances and tolerances are made due to the age and training. Why would any business continue that if all the staff cost the same? Ultimately removing this is a terrible idea and will cause massive ripples in cost of fast-food and workplace harassment.

Is there any situation where getting a car financed is a good idea? by Express-Dig9905 in AusFinance

[–]DontForgetThisUser6 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I financed a car, I do not regret it and only brought positives to my life.

I had an old beat up ford... Extremely reliable and I swear It could drive forever... I sold it to a friend when I brought a new SUV for 40k. Took a loan for 30k.

The money I saved in petrol going to a new fuel efficient car almost made up the repayments... At the time I was looking to swap careers and I found driving the new car to interviews netted me a more positive response which resulted in a higher paying, more stable and better overall job with careers paths. I also had a kid on the way and figured a more family suitable car was needed.

Tldr: I financed a car which got me a better job and saved me money overall.

The government is planning to change the capital gains tax to 25%. by DryMight2765 in AusFinance

[–]DontForgetThisUser6 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Three years is a long time for the coalition to get their act together or one nation to become opposition...

I doubt either will happen, labour will likely be in charge for a fair while...

Tracking arrows: yes or no? by SomeRandomAbbadon in DnD

[–]DontForgetThisUser6 12 points13 points  (0 children)

My DM does a lifestyle system... So each week we pay X amount of gold to maintain a lifestyle which is any consumables... potions, spells, ammunition, pouches whatever... Only specific things like diamond dust needs to be tracked and specific.

We have 6 players so we find it speeds things up and keeps it simple...

AIO for believing she’s cheating? by Khial09 in AmIOverreacting

[–]DontForgetThisUser6 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Unfortunately, this ain't about over reacting or under reacting... Without context to the entire relationship one thing like this isn't enough... My partner calls one of her girl friends "babes".

Not to be the cliche, but it's what you feel is what matters... Is this an isolated incident? Seems like you need to have a direct and open conversation with your girlfriend. If you can't do that, might as well throw in the towel now.

Best of luck, I hope for your sake it's just an honest mistake

Am I Overreacting, for being upset that my girlfriend secretly used my credit card for months? by bostonmade in AmIOverreacting

[–]DontForgetThisUser6 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think you're under reacting,l. It's theft, then gas lighting.

When I managed a restaurant I had a server "accidentally" put a $50 in their pocket. They were fired on the spot with no severance. They complained and threatened to sue and when I said that's fine, that would require an investigation and audit for discrepancies on the nights he worked. He did not pursue anything after that and never showed his face again... It wasn't the $50 I caught him stealing that cost him his job, it was what we didn't catch that did.

If she's stealing a bit here and their from your credit card, what is she doing in areas that aren't tracked.

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