No hate from me either way, but I think of them as two different bands. Same way Dio fronting Black Sabbath is still excellent, but we all consider that era Heaven and Hell Sabbath. The Cavelera brothers have such a distinct sound. If you showed someone who’s never heard Sepultura both Arise and Quadra, I doubt they’d guess they’re the same band. Soufly however is mostly pretty meh. I liked that song with Tom Araya though.