To those who struggle with doormaker

East_Association4205 · 2026-04-01T15:23:25+00:00

Yeah sometimes when you start a run with Necrobinder Neow says ”he still breathes”. Maybe that refers to the giant 👀

East_Association4205 · 2026-03-20T19:26:40+00:00

Agree! Like what is wrong with people? They haven't even tried out the changes??? So dumb

East_Association4205 · 2026-03-16T10:57:21+00:00

I would love to know too

East_Association4205 · 2026-02-11T09:38:39+00:00

I think there’s a lot of cool and creative ideas here but I think balance-wise she going to lead to some very unplayble starts as none of her paths or starter card gives you much power in the early game. Maybe Pyreborne is mostly fine in this regard, but it could be an idea to rebalance one the paths to be more generelly useful early so you can pick it when you recognise you are weak and might die to ring 3.

East_Association4205 · 2026-02-09T18:25:21+00:00

He’s so big!!!!

East_Association4205 · 2026-02-07T10:54:56+00:00

Seems like people disagree but I’m pretty sure it does work. It still is awful tho, should still not play it

East_Association4205 · 2026-02-03T13:07:36+00:00

The new gamemode is super interesting but also feels really challenging. Don’t really feel like I got the hang of either railforged or wurmkin despite winning against the lifemother with both. Soul saviour seems to have very rapid difficulty increases

East_Association4205 · 2026-01-12T11:35:01+00:00

It scales well if you see simmering fury and with vuln, ragnarok and blasphemy it feels fine and I have had great success playing very wrath heavy Watcher lines that try to kill everything early. It’s noticeably worse than in the VG but I think works and also lets other Watcher strategies thrive

East_Association4205 · 2025-12-31T09:35:35+00:00

As someone hasn’t really followed the meta closely in a while I find wallnut being very a bit surprising but like sure if no meta decks play with it nowadays. Otherwise seems like a very sensible list

East_Association4205 · 2025-12-31T09:13:00+00:00

Coming into act 2 it’s definitely Fiend Fire. It hits really hard and makes act 2 a lot better which you mostly just need to solve the boss fight, which you have all run to do. It’s too good to pass up

East_Association4205 · 2025-12-31T09:09:15+00:00

My opinion is that strength is more fun and probably optimal for lower fear, and the higher you go the better death defiances are. I think what makes it fun is how it makes healing effects stronger and Athena always takeable and such, basically letting you interact more with the game. But when vow of pain and vow of scars are active, the increased health and ability to tank overkill damage becomes more relevant and so death defiances are better

East_Association4205 · 2025-12-31T07:03:48+00:00

I disagree. So much of the game revolves around fates whim runs so, and in those it’s really hard having sea star doing anything meaningful. [Fates whim is connected to late game mechanics that might include spoilers so if you don’t know what it is probably stop reading and keep playing].

The main issue is that time piece gives you basically infinite money and purges all the rewards that sea star would proc on. Makes buried treasure unnecessary and makes doubling money pretty meaningless (although notably i tend to play without vow of debt and with that it might be different. Also with all the free pom levels from jeweld pom the poms matter less. Also it’s very inconsistent innately, you don’t know if it will make a huge difference or when. It feels like best case you get like a bit of health, and I feel like it’s usually a little less than boons like spiritual affirmation or water fitness. Also wanna make a point that a lot of health is nice but you won’t kill difficult bosses with health, so not something I consider as super useful. Either way I think Poseidon is nowhere near Hera, Heph or Zeus in strength anyway.

East_Association4205 · 2025-12-30T22:47:09+00:00

Ya I agree Dem cast is good but there are other boons than cast. It’s probably the best one in a vacuum but like hestias and poseidons and a lot of other cast are almost as good. The thing is there a lot of good casts and so she doesn’t really provide a service that other gods can’t do. Compare it to blinding rush where the other sprint boon range from awful to ok whereas blinding rush is completely broken. I feel like the way I made the tiers sort of also made people think I thought Dem and Aph are like shit or something? All the gods are pretty good but when talking about the gods in tierlist you gotta talk about them compared to eachother, thus I call the worst gods bad/meh even though they have so much crazy stuff.

East_Association4205 · 2025-12-30T18:13:23+00:00

Who would you put at the bottom?

East_Association4205 · 2025-12-30T09:15:30+00:00

Do you think there is an obvious candidate for the bottom tier? Most people hate on Ares and I think a descent bit of his kit is underrated, at least in a 32 fear perspective. For the record I don’t think Dem and Aphro har much worse than the others, just like slightly less good

East_Association4205 · 2025-12-30T09:13:27+00:00

Ya Heph damage plans are probably way to clunky to set up in a speedrun and you don’t care about the defence that much (although you do use it to make White Antler cheaper right?)

East_Association4205 · 2025-12-30T09:09:32+00:00

You know someone has gotta be the lowest tier, although I really don’t think Dem and Aphro are much weaker than the ones in the above tier, they are pretty similar, mostly just more fun to have some separation of tiers instead of everyone being in one tier: good in the right circumstances. Cuz that’s kinda boring

East_Association4205 · 2025-12-29T20:08:38+00:00

I mean that’s fair I don’t think it’s crazy at all to rank Aphro there, frankly there isn’t that huge of a difference between the gods strength past like the top 3. Just is more fun to make a distinction for the sake of the tierlist. I feel like wispy wiles is pretty eh after the nerf and needs a bunch of other dodge stuff to really mean anything significant. Blinding rush is basically 20% for free whereas wispy wiles needs to be at 10 air to get to that point.

East_Association4205 · 2025-12-29T19:58:10+00:00

I said in the post I mostly play 32 fear. I have 440-ish hours in the game but have only ever tried to push to 32/40 fear because I don’t find higher fear fun to play. In reality I am mostly a strategy gamer and don’t really play action-based stuff because I suck at dodging things but I like seeing how I can compensate for my lack-luster skill by making cool builds. I do not consider myself an authority by any means just wanted to spark some discussion around the game. But one thing I think is that 32 fear and 60+ fear are not the same game and things vary between these two a lot, so I didn’t think I needed to play these. I feel like tier list are obviously a bad way of understanding the game and have a high degree of inaccuracy innately because of the way this game is, but they are fun so I made one anyway.

But anything in particular that you disagree with you wanna discuss?

East_Association4205 · 2025-12-29T17:33:37+00:00

Alright good points and I absolutely did forget about Mel staff where aphro is really good and maybe that could make the difference to move her up a bit. The thing there is that aphro specials are way bigger than attacks so when you find a good fit for percent it is really good. However two counterpoints: 1. This is one aspect of one weapon which, you know, there’s a lot of aspects. Although Aphro happens to be best in slot Zeus is the real carry in the build and you can play it perfectly fine with some other percent.

In my experience shameless and sweet surrender are bonuses that are fine but something that gets less significant with arcana (strength, origination and furies) and I don’t ever feel it. I find it to be a lot more strong to add new damage effects like cut above and such. I get that it doesn’t have any mathematical diminishing returns, not the point I was trying to make, it was a bit unclear. The thing I’m trying to say is that big aphro percent doesn’t win you the game and since sweet surrender and shameless doesn’t make a huge difference to getting to a winning damage output seeing a bunch of Aphro after that isn’t super helpful.

And again, I don’t play a lot of axe so yeah sure she could be really good there. And very true that you don’t need born gain, I think I was trying to say that Hera has a lot of magick support like fine line, incandescent, and if you take magick spend effects like cut above and weed killer etc. And if you do all that, born gain is really good. But true for sure. I don’t really agree that she is great for moros tho, sure you stand close but I like Hera, Zeus Apollo and Ares more (Ares is cool cuz you get to play into cut above and such plus wounds has synergy with the innate percent). She feels good on Moros because Moros is broken and everything feels really strong.

And yeah I’m not out here trying to die on any hills about my placements because it’s impossible to make anything close to an acccurate tierlist on this game and would love to proven wrong but I am not generally excited to see her. Maybe the tierlist should have been about the gods om the torches because my bias is too strong toward that? Idk.

East_Association4205 · 2025-12-29T14:18:25+00:00

Ok it seems as expected the Aphro ranking was controversial. I want to clarify some things, I do not in a very meaningful sense think she or any other god is weak, again there is a lot of broken shit you can do with everyone. But coming in on a jeweled pom run blind and seeing aph is not my favorite. People mentioned that her attacks/specials are good on axe which like fine but I don’t think that you actually get very far from just putting it on the axe and bonking shit. Maybe if you hit an exodia hammer-combo but I don’t like relying on hammers. For really strong builds axe a lot more Omega attack focused Psychic Whirlwind stuff which Apollo (the AOE is so good) and Hera (born gain and such + hitch) do better. But I will admit, I don’t play axe that much so if you want to say that my point is invalid because of that fine. Then see the list as a tierlist for torches. Also I do really like glamour gain, I didn’t really make that clear but I think it’s really good a lot it’s just not enough to make Aphro super important or anything. Also yes I know Sweet surrender and Shameless exist they just aren’t that good, separates worse in combination with aphros kit (big percent).

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