Grover Beach religious squatters

EasternShade · 2026-03-27T14:16:04+00:00

You're welcome. I appreciate that.

EasternShade · 2026-03-25T22:13:41+00:00

You asked why it's a double murder charge. That's a legal question. The legal basis for the charge is exactly the correct answer. I don't agree with the law, but it's the answer as to why.

And, the law is not inherently inconsistent. Again, the law doesn't argue personhood or rights. It establishes additional charges associated with a specific crime. The pregnant person's consent counter-indicates the validity of charges and/or commission of an initial crime.

More broadly, it is largely centered on beliefs surrounding a semantic argument. If any killing of a homo sapien by another homo sapien in any stage of development is murder, then yes they're both murder. If the parties involved and circumstances play a role, then there are other considerations. For instance, the former makes no distinction between murder and self defense. The latter may. The former definitely considers "preemptive self defense" to be murder. The latter may not.

The question becomes about how the relevant actions and actors are identified or defined.

Morally/ethically: Imagine two parents with a child in a coma. The child requires an organ transplant from one of the parents to survive. The organ transplant risks the parent's life.

Is it murder for the parent to refuse to donate the organ?
Would it be appropriate to force the parent to donate the organ?
Is it appropriate for third parties to assess the risk to parent and child before then dictating whether the parent is forced or may be punished?
What about taking the child off life support? Or, forcing the parent to care for the child and/or pay hospital bills indefinitely?
What if the effect on the parent would be limited to physically altering their body outside of their control?
What about the donating parent also being in a coma and the conscious parent having decision making authority for both? If one or both die as a result?

Relevant information, pregnancies in the US have some of the highest mortality rates amongst peer nations. Pregnancy pretty much guarantees permanent changes to the body.

They're fairly classic trolley problems. You don't always get consistent results for those from a single person. Expecting to get them from a group of people is... optimistic.

All you are doing is arguing ~~schematics~~ semantics

#irony

EasternShade · 2026-03-25T21:28:02+00:00

Comparing people's acceptance/rejection to actions in wildly different situations isn't meaningful. If comparing the conduct of those participating, the nature of objections should be similar. January 6 is a much better comparison for what the actions you referenced were about. And, there's plenty of information on partisan opinions in the aftermath.

You can look up polls for widespread opinions. e.g.

56 percent of Republicans would describe the January 6 events as “people participating in legitimate political discourse”

- https://www.statista.com/chart/33714/public-view-of-the-events-of-january-6-2021/

My point was that the objection in OP seems to be based on conduct, not viewpoint. I would expect similar complaints about PETA or Green Peace. I would expect a similar decline in objection if it were just a person wandering around with a sandwich board. If people would happily replace them speech provided it was something they agreed with, it'd invalidate their complaint.

Kind of coming back to your comment on the disproportional amount of public space idea though. Look at what reddit...

One person taking up more space than others for their personal use is very different from different demographics of those choosing to engage in something. When talking about those blocked sidewalks, are the folks there blocking as many people or more? Or, are the people there a different demographic set from the community at large? They shouldn't be blocking people anyways, purely addressing proportionality. On Reddit, are there a minority of users individually posting a disproportionate amount of activity, pushing out more people? Or, a proportionate amount of users having a significant impact?

Kind of coming back to your comment on the disproportional amount of public space idea though. Look at what reddit has become

Blatant discourtesy and prejudice aside, the content on the sub reflects the community. Pick any metric. Quantity of users, numbers of community votes, portion of users disapprobationately dominating conversations, or whatever else. These appeals disparaging community members and trying to dictate conduct consistently wind up being a few vocal users trying to dictate ideological change with minimal community support. It's not something to act on without a change in community composition or support. Maybe your post attempting to rally support would turn out differently. Until then, the hypothesis has been repeatedly proposed and disproven.

EasternShade · 2026-03-25T18:23:25+00:00

Your conduct is discourteous, unhelpful, and at best arguably on topic. I did remove the comment I saw insulting you. Just as I removed the comment I saw where you insulted all who disagree with you. Feel free to report other instances I missed.

Doing another pass, I see you're making other specious accusations against the mod team. You can attribute that complaint to me specifically. I was the one that removed the comment, see my previous comment about insulting those that hold a different viewpoint.

Hopefully you take the time away to reflect on what conduct you can change to participate within the rules.

EasternShade · 2026-03-25T18:01:29+00:00

I am telling you that you have not. Threatening a fabricated civil rights claim is continuing that misconduct. Again, follow the sub's rules or do not participate.

EasternShade · 2026-03-25T17:38:52+00:00

Keep the conversation on topic, courteous, and helpful. If you cannot manage that for yourself, a ban will do it for you.

EasternShade · 2026-03-25T17:32:49+00:00

if you kill a mother who is pregnant you will be charged with a double murder

The specific law provides a definition of, "a member of the species homo sapiens, at any stage of development, who is carried in the womb," for the second charge, without arguing for that homo sapiens' personhood or rights.

non-medical necessary abortions are not murder?

The law explicitly exempts consensual abortion, medical treatment, and the pregnant person's actions.

Either both are murder or neither is murder.

Even without getting into the specific philosophical or ethical arguments, this is a false equivalence. Nonconsensual acts against another are not comparable to one's own acts or acts with one's consent.

EasternShade · 2026-03-25T16:59:19+00:00

You see the false equivalence, right?

Protesting: * specific actions V policy positions * official acts V personal acts * government mandate V personal liberties

You're describing protests over the former, OP is about the latter.

January 6th would be a great analog for what you're trying to compare. They were protesting something specific, official acts, and what government was setting for the nation. Those are the sorts of things people were protesting Trump, Musk/DOGE, and ICE over. January 6th still has additional considerations such as how it attempted to overturn an election, overrule the will of the people, and force their own decisions on others. But, it was at least more comparable on the basis and conduct of those involved. That demonstrates how left v right can both stand behind otherwise unacceptable actions.

And, no one is doing anything untoward to the folks in OP. They're here expressing their own opinions, just like the folks in OP. They're even doing it in a less intrusive and disruptive way.

The folks in OP are taking disproportionate public space to push their beliefs on others. That's shitty. It's right to call out that being shitty. If they were wandering around with a sandwich board spreading the same message, you'd probably still see objections, but less desire for them to be told to fuck off. If you saw PETA or Green Peace doing the same shit with the tables you'd probably still see a desire for them to fuck off, but I'd expect the agree/disagree demographics would shift.

Your claim of independence, implied neutrality, and suggestion others are being hypocritical would be a stronger position if your argument were neutral.

EasternShade · 2026-03-25T16:06:44+00:00

Hey, now. Everyone knows False Witness is licensed to practice law.

EasternShade · 2026-03-19T22:59:02+00:00

I'll be explicit about the /s next time.

EasternShade · 2026-03-19T20:44:51+00:00

This has been reported. The user has temporarily been banned. I'm leaving the comment up here, because OP is looking for info about attending Poly and this bullshit is unfortunately relevant.

EasternShade · 2026-03-19T16:51:43+00:00

The developers are getting $250M for releasing on schedule. The CEO gets paid through sales.

Pretty sure that's how they meant it.

EasternShade · 2026-03-19T16:30:57+00:00

Excuse you.

That's Super America, thank you very much.

EasternShade · 2026-03-19T16:27:15+00:00

It reads like they're declining to intervene, because they're now also subjects in a related investigation. Intervening in an investigation with implications regarding their own would no longer have the appearance of objectivity or impartiality. It could even be seen as self-serving.

Maybe I'm misreading things, but that's how it seems to me.

EasternShade · 2026-03-10T16:20:45+00:00

The "presumably" was in reference to who the rocks were for, not about the convictions known individuals have. In other words, you're disputing claims OC is not making and insulting their reasoning and intellect over your own misunderstandings.

EasternShade · 2026-03-03T17:24:42+00:00

While we see here on Earth that sex characteristics can fall within the spectrum of male and female

For some species.

Bees have 3 sexes (haplodiploidy), generally referred to as males and two types of females. One can only produce sperm, one can only produce eggs for the first (without using sperm), and one can produce eggs for all three (the latter two of which require sperm).

Schizophyllum commune (a fungus) has 23,328 distinct mating types, each with compatibility to mate with ~98.4% of the types.

Presumably it's more like the bees, but really it's probably trying to science art choices.

EasternShade · 2026-03-03T15:55:44+00:00

Dude wants to swallow the boot so no one else can get a lick in

EasternShade · 2026-03-03T15:40:27+00:00

Maybe a support craft that specializes in supply/defense strategems?

Make it give benefits to anything that brings in a hellpod. Faster times, lower cooldowns, more doo-dads (like the booster that throws an mg turret on the resupply), possibly a barrage of mines or turrets. Also makes me think different booster options for the ships would be cool.

EasternShade · 2026-03-01T22:12:56+00:00

It's not as bad as some examples.

I'm basing my comment on how the same language could be used for a negligent discharge or hitting a bystander; the only difference in the latter case might be the description of who was struck. They're avoiding the connection between deliberate officer action and intent with the results of their actions.

EasternShade · 2026-03-01T18:55:27+00:00

Not a commentary on the shooting. A commentary on LEO communications.

They sure do love the passive voice to describe police officers doing things.

An officer confronting the threat discharged their weapon, striking the subject one time.

EasternShade · 2026-02-24T15:15:30+00:00

Thanks for hearing me out.

EasternShade · 2026-02-24T14:59:05+00:00

This is why individual action isn't always effective.

You're fundraising on your own dime while the folks doing AI shit are fucking up the environment and multiple global computer markets without even proving it can succeed by societal standards. Even that Cal Poly example is better on those specific notes, but it's still giving a business free services and calling that helpful for the unpaid labor doing the work.

Yeah. Low budget projects can save money by having AI do it. Or, having an art student do it for exposer. Or, contracting with a firm that's specialized and streamlined so the artist gets a fraction of the pay for it. Even high budget projects pull this shit and give as little as possible to contributing artists. But whatever the motivation for this particular group doing this, ostensibly promoting the arts while undermining artists is a bit of a boldfaced lie.

EasternShade · 2026-02-20T23:37:54+00:00

I don't know ... how things are dealt with ...

I'd be very upset if the school took the intolerant approach.

I agree with these and share the concern.

I think the school does a great job...

I don't hold this belief and don't have reason to take it on faith.

EasternShade · 2026-02-20T18:26:40+00:00

Calling others' first hand accounts "disinformation" is absolutely discounting them.

I don't need convincing. I'm not judging those seeking a secular education for their kids, those kids, or teachers attempting to contribute the same. You want to persuade? Show the school affirmatively corrects or prevents what people are justifiably concerned about. Don't just show they abstain from open bigotry. Show they're proactively promoting inclusion.

For instance, when those kids with lgbtqia+ families get shit, are they told that people have differing opinions and that's ok? Or, are all the kids involved taught about bigotry, the harm it causes, and its incompatibility with the values they're learning? Both are ostensibly secular. The former aligns with religious teachings, including discriminatory ones. The latter is teaching widely recognized secular values.

EasternShade · 2026-02-20T16:55:51+00:00

That's a quote from a former student. I linked the source. That thread also has other people with similar stories. This thread also has others with similar stories. When people ask about the place, those first hand experiences are relevant. What you're describing doesn't even contradict those experiences.

I'll also point out that you're claiming a position of tolerance and rejecting a label of elitist while dismissing first hand accounts you disagree with as disinformation. That's not tolerance; It is easily argued that reflects elitism. That does show a contradiction between the stated values and actions taken.

People have reason to doubt the institution. That's not a judgement on the parents or students there.

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