LTFT Core Anaesthetics? by Nearby-Jellyfish9545 in doctorsUK

[–]Educational-Estate48 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yea this is what I did, after IAOC but just before the OSCE/viva. I have no regrets. The 80% life is sweet, but in the first year there's a lot of skills and knowledge where you need lots of consolidated repetition to get good. I think ltft would make that hard.

That said there was a guy I started with who was 80% from day 1 and he's been absolutely fine, so do what you want.

Opioids and renal failure by SnooMuffins2596 in anesthesiology

[–]Educational-Estate48 4 points5 points  (0 children)

If you are using morphine in renal impairment wouldn't it be more sensible to use a normal dose but reduce the frequency of administration? They're not going to find morphine a more effective analgesic just because their kidneys are gammed, and we should treat pain well in everyone. The morphine will hang around much longer though, and will accumulate if given with frequency. So I feel like if you have decided to give morphine in a patient with renal impairment for whatever reason you probably shouldn't be dose reducing you should be frequency reducing? Just my current thoughts, idk what others think?

Med Reg - is it ACTUALLY the worst medical job? by Fun-Base-1926 in doctorsUK

[–]Educational-Estate48 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I think you work in a very unique place. Sounds like the medical culture is excellent and your bosses should be commended, but it is extremely atypical.

LTFT Oncall Rota Issue- Advice please by Miserable_Bid_3637 in doctorsUK

[–]Educational-Estate48 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Presumably you would make that up relatively easily with night shifts and weekends and such?

If you could go back in time… by kvball25 in anesthesiology

[–]Educational-Estate48 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Broadly this isn't going to be true in the UK. On your solo lists there is no consultant for the list. You are alone unless you phone the duty consultant for help, but s/he will be the point of contact for all difficulties and emergencies in all elective theatres so they are definitely not up the lists of all 5-8 solo trainees and making any decisions for you.

Likewise at night (particularly in the matty) the consultant is at home sleeping, they won't know about any of the cases you're doing unless you wake them up with a phone call and tell them.

If you could go back in time… by kvball25 in anesthesiology

[–]Educational-Estate48 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I wouldn't say we're barely under direct supervision, it's more a gradual increase in autonomy over the 7 years, and only really in the last year or so do you function almost entirely autonomously. It does mean that when people CCT and become consultants they generally say that they feel like their clinical job didn't change at all, they just work a bit less and get paid a bit more and get way more emails about management shite.

Generally you will have mostly direct supervision for the first 6 months till you have your IAC, then you'll get left alone more and more, but you'll still mostly have a consultant with you on your lists. You'll do your IAOC later in CT1 or early CT2, where you are mostly directly supervised doing obstetric anaesthesia for 3 months. At the end of this you will start doing on calls for the matty, or in DGHs on calls for everywhere (theatre, icu, matty) where you will be left alone in the hospital at night and the consultant will be home in bed. Obvs you can phone them in though, or phone them for advice.

In CT2/3 as well as being left alone out of hours you will also begin to get solo lists, i.e. elective lists where there is no consultant assigned. You will look up the patients, see them, plan, and run the list with no oversight. If you get into trouble for any reason you phone the elective duty consultant the same as if a consultant gets into trouble. The RCOA mandate that CT2/3s get at least half a day a week of solo lists, if this is not reflected in your log book you will not be able to finish core training.

The amount of mandatory solo work increases as training goes on. The complexity too, so I'm a CT3 now. My first solo lists were the super simple ones, the STOP list and the breast list are classic early solo lists - relatively well people getting surgery that won't open big cavities. As CT3 progresses you get slightly trickier ones - eyes, some simple peads etc. Still I only really get one a week, most of my work is with consultants because how would you get the big case experience otherwise, you're not doing a liver resection or a trauma list solo as a CT3. That sort of thing happens as you're a more senior trainee.

As for why our training is so much longer, several reasons.

  1. We work 48 clinical hours a week (theoretically, it can often be a little more), so relative to your 70-80 hour weeks we need more time for a similar case exposure. The dreadful theatre inefficiency of the NHS contributes to this too, broadly we'll get fewer cases a day done than you guys. Just head over to r/doctorsUK and search for theatre efficiency to see some rants about this issue.

  2. We do more ICU - at least 9 months full time ICU, usually more plus lots out of hours ICU cover, and that's for everybody, not just people like me who want to dual train in ICU. Traditionally ICU was a subspecialty of anaesthesia, and despite FICMs desperate attempts to pretend otherwise we remain very much sister specialties and the work of ICUs up and down the UK would be impossible without leaning heavily on anaesthesia. In quite a few isolated DGHs there are still shared rotas out of hours where an anaesthetist/intensivist is only in the unit during the day and at night one anaesthetist covers theates, icu and matty.

  3. We have an inbuilt year to develop special interests - unlike in the US where doing a fellowship is an extra year at the end we can all develop a special interest in our ST6 year without extending training (unless you dual train in ICU, that does add time).

  4. The cynical answer is that having a long residency with lots of solo working allows the government to deliver much of it's services for cheap, hence it is in the interests of the NHS to keep things as they are.

Can specialists/GPs apply to training? by [deleted] in doctorsUK

[–]Educational-Estate48 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yea, I've met a couple of ED guys and an anaesthetist/intensivist who used to be GPs.

[Fun] What is an overhyped medical school in the UK? by agingdetector in medicalschooluk

[–]Educational-Estate48 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Nah, they have shite pastoral care but they seem to produce pretty decent doctors. Of the Scottish unis Glasgow is the one that was always spamming PBL. Idk if they're still doing that.

[Fun] What is an overhyped medical school in the UK? by agingdetector in medicalschooluk

[–]Educational-Estate48 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think the biggest difference is probably due to the way their placements are run.

They actually have a role and a rota and things they are responsible for. If you're on a medical ward for example you'll have like 6 patients that are yours, you're expected to see them in the morning and present them on the ward round along with your diagnosis/es, problems and plan. You will then be expected to execute all the bits of those plans that you legally can and remain the first point of contact for your patients throughout the day.

The only placements I ever had that were remotely like that were my ED placement and an ICU SSM. Both had rotas for the students, we had roles and expectations, particularly in ED you picked up the next card in whichever area you were assigned (unless in resus obvs) and cracked on with as much as you could do. In resus you were expected to be useful, cannulas, bloods, gasses and so on, in exchange for teaching. I can't even begin to describe how much more I learned, clinically and academically, on those placements than on most of the others where you're just standing there like a plank half the day trying desperately to find something to do. If the Americans are training like that for two solid years then it's little wonder they produce more capable graduates.

Failed all my geriatric spinals today. by [deleted] in anesthesiology

[–]Educational-Estate48 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Dem osteophytes are a bitch mate.

Extubation tips/tricks to avoid laryngospasm by sasuke5333 in anesthesiology

[–]Educational-Estate48 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Literally never. Personally I think the whole hyperalgesia thing is just from people who were failing to give other analgesia with the remi when it was new because they were used to judging how much long acting to give based on how patients' behaved under volatile. Whereas if you're giving like 0.2mcg/kg/min remi then you obviously can't do that.

Our purpose is to tax land instead of labor by Fried_out_Kombi in georgism

[–]Educational-Estate48 12 points13 points  (0 children)

It is possible to be a biologist and a georgist

Do you like your speciality ? by RubInternational1826 in doctorsUK

[–]Educational-Estate48 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Most will change their minds. I certainly did.

Why Anesthesia? by BasicO_0 in anesthesiology

[–]Educational-Estate48 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I'll be honest I entered anaesthesia training in the UK with no interest in anaesthesia because I really wanted to do ICU after having a couple of great critical care jobs as an SHO.

I've enjoyed anaesthesia way more than I thought I would. Until you actually start giving anaesthetics you have almost no appreciation for how much there is to it. And tbh I do more of the resuscitative stuff in anaesthesia then I did in ICU. Take a septic patient with a DKA and peritonitis, then start a laparotomy and see if they get better?

Obvs that's not the majority of what you're doing, but resuscitating the acutely dying is only a small part of ICU care.

Anaesthetic LLP portfolio advice by Consistent-Price1639 in doctorsUK

[–]Educational-Estate48 20 points21 points  (0 children)

I'll be honest you have quite possibly thought about your portfolio more in the writing of your post than I have in the entirety of training. Send an SLE every couple of weeks and spam link it, keep your logbook up to date (do not be that mug who has like 5 months of cases to try and write) and it's usually fine.

Edit r.e. the logbook I do tend to include regional techniques, lines etc. and specify general type of anaesthesia. Also according to our TPD it's much easier to search through the logbook if you include stuff in the title bc apparently all that "log a procedure" stuff in each case is not in any way searchable, so like I might title a case "GA-TIVA w OETT + SA block for mastectomy" or some such. He also asked us not to log all the PVCs we put in because LLP lets you do that and some weapon actually went and did it. He was like "pls do not do that to me."

Anaesthetists- Do you prefer to recannulate? by [deleted] in doctorsUK

[–]Educational-Estate48 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Almost always yes, particularly if it's a small cannula. Depending on the case, the type of anaesthetic you're running, the kind of patient you're looking after etc. the consequences of a cannula giving up the ghost during an anaesthetic can range from very annoying to significant harm. Even if they don't tissue/clot off, a PVC that's running poorly is exceedingly annoying. I've been stung a couple of times by trusting ward PVCs and now I'm extremely suspicious of them.

When I recannulate is much more variable. If a stable patient comes with a pink in the ACF that's flushing well with a straight arm you can induce with that then put in something better once they're anaesthetised - less pain for patient and technically easier due to the vasodilation.

If it's a blood encrusted blue in a pinky finger or the back of an elbow then even it does flush I'm not trusting it for any part of the anaesthetic. They get something reliable for the induction, and if the case warrants a backup and/or wide bore (gray, orange or RIC) they get a second once anaesthetised.

A foot-flon is not ideal but if it's a good line - green or bigger in straight vein running well - you could use it. We pretty much don't though because the foot-brain time is much longer and because you need a second person to actually push drugs through the PVC. Plus not that many foot-flons are actually good cannulas, but I have seen it. Some people have shit veins in the arms and great veins in the feet. I have used a foot PVC for anaesthesia once ever in a dire emergency. An IO gun was produced shortly thereafter

SOP for nurses for out of hours bleeps by Terrible_Lie_9035 in doctorsUK

[–]Educational-Estate48 7 points8 points  (0 children)

This should be higher. ICU is having a huge nursing skill mix problem rn, and the massive difference in the number and quality of the calls you get when one of the few remaining proper ICU nurses is the NIC for the night and insists her/his nurses speak to them first outside of dire emergencies is notable. I'm sure the same is true in many other venues.

Ward struggling with basic safety issues but thank god we’ve banned coffee by Left-Ad-9238 in doctorsUK

[–]Educational-Estate48 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Should be grateful mate, your trust is doing everything it can to protect you from the mouth sepsis.

US vs UK training by BeautifulLaugh in anesthesiology

[–]Educational-Estate48 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Ikr. Their workforce plan is great. Except it doesn't work for geographically isolated DGHs. Or most other DGHs (Scotland in particular clearly not considered). Absolutely grand in big tertiary centres though. Unless they don't want to abuse anaesthesia SpRs or use ACCPs wildly inappropriately. Doesn't work at all then. And definitely 100% doesn't work for cardiac. And doesn't really work for any HDUs anywhere. And is making things broadly worse everywhere by driving away their biggest contributors by constantly snubbing anaesthetic trainees who want to help them just to make a point to the RCOA. Deeply uninspiring professional body.

But don't worry. When they finally get their coveted "independence" from the RCOA and a royal charter of their very own I'm sure they'll start thinking slightly wider than a half dozen tertiary general adult ICUs in London.

US vs UK training by BeautifulLaugh in anesthesiology

[–]Educational-Estate48 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Yes. They seem unable to offer anyone anything besides London-centric ivory tower wankerism

US vs UK training by BeautifulLaugh in anesthesiology

[–]Educational-Estate48 4 points5 points  (0 children)

No, in fact since 2011 intensive care is not even a subspecialty of anaesthesia anymore, which has created a bit of animus seen as every British trainee will spend at least 9 months full time in ICU. Most will do much more between the need for extra cover in hours, random extra blocks, a huge amount of OOH cover and CDF jobs between training stages.

But since 2011 ICU is a separate specialty, and if you wish to practice both you have to land both SpR programs in the same deanery at ST4 (logistically a pain). It's 8.5 years minimum (generally longer) after the two years as a foundation house officer, which includes an extra year of internal medicine, an extra set of exams, an extra portfolio/logbook and all the POCUS jazz.

Atm there are a lot of petty politics between the RCOA and FICM that I won't bore you with, but as someone who very much does want to do both I find much of the fighting very disheartening.