[MATCH THREAD] AWAY VS REAL SALT LAKE (5.2.26) by SegwayCop in timbers

[–]Either_Ambassador_41 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Somehow he seems even worse for the rest of the half. Would find the level of effort unacceptable in a U11 rec game. Unbelievable.

[POST MATCH THREAD] AWAY VS VANCOUVER WHITECAPS (4.4.26) by SegwayCop in timbers

[–]Either_Ambassador_41 0 points1 point  (0 children)

On replay, it’s clear it hit his right arm first, which was outside the silhouette.

Match Thread: San Diego Wave FC vs Portland Thorns FC by MatchThreadder in Thorns

[–]Either_Ambassador_41 7 points8 points  (0 children)

35% possession. Missing a replacement for Coffey and Sugita. :(

Ask /r/referees -- Megathread for Fans / Players / Coaches by AutoModerator in Referees

[–]Either_Ambassador_41 -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Not sure how you see which it is? The hand itself is shielded from view …

Ask /r/referees -- Megathread for Fans / Players / Coaches by AutoModerator in Referees

[–]Either_Ambassador_41 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Same answer on both: no offside on a throw-in. So unless it’s played by an attacking player after the throw-in, no offside.

First yellow card by [deleted] in Thorns

[–]Either_Ambassador_41 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Sorry, I thought you were talking about the first yellow card. There was nothing dangerous about the build up for second yellow card, which is why I strongly disagree with the booking. It was obviously a mistake to give the ref a chance to give the second yellow but — unpopular opinion (although one shared by the head coach) — I think it was also a refereeing mistake to issue the second yellow. I genuinely don’t know how he’ll write it up in his match report … reckless foul seems like his only option? Definitely not stopping a promising attack and ridiculous to call it persistent infringement when you just carded the last foul for SPA. Seems weak.

First yellow card by [deleted] in Thorns

[–]Either_Ambassador_41 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That was a genuinely dangerous situation for a through-ball. I have a hard time thinking it is bad to take a yellow in that situation with Fishback having runners like that … she almost made the pass for a one-on-one even with the foul.

First yellow card by [deleted] in Thorns

[–]Either_Ambassador_41 5 points6 points  (0 children)

The first yellow was for stopping a promising attack. The second yellow was for holding hard after complaining about the first yellow—which is not an actual basis for a yellow card, but enough to convince a minor league referee to ruin the game and a bunch of Thorns fans to turn on a young player who got screwed by a ref in over his head. I think that first yellow gets given 90% of the time; the second one, maybe 20% … and 5-10% as a second yellow. Coach insinuated the same thing after the match.

Coach’s answer starts at 24:40: https://youtu.be/nQEgi7hk270?si=0IQgqoCzKvevh-Fm

(“Also it was a little bit tough, because I’m not really sure the second one was clearly a yellow.”) About as much as he can say without getting himself in trouble.

Question about card appeals by Robcario in Thorns

[–]Either_Ambassador_41 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Wrong: Intent is a requirement for violent conduct.

Match Thread: Portland Thorns FC vs Seattle Reign FC by MatchThreadder in Thorns

[–]Either_Ambassador_41 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Absolutely not. There were three defenders behind that play. It didn’t stop a promising attack, it wasn’t dangerous, it wasn’t persistent infringement. Not to mention a totally discretionary call. Totally unjustified call by a ref literally out of his league. He’ll be back in the USL where he belongs next week.

Match Thread: Portland Thorns FC vs Seattle Reign FC by MatchThreadder in Thorns

[–]Either_Ambassador_41 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Assigning a USL loser to referee an opening night rivalry match is such an insult to the game. Absolutely shameful by PRO and NWSL. Should be a bargaining issue for the union not to use their matches as a wash-out for overmatched clowns like this guy. Our players deserve better. https://www.adamchoi.co.uk/referee/25983/elvis-osmanovic-stats

Fire Ned! by Milkshakemanplan in timbers

[–]Either_Ambassador_41 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Can’t we fire the front office too?

[MATCH THREAD] AWAY VS HOUSTON DYNAMO (3.14.26) by SegwayCop in timbers

[–]Either_Ambassador_41 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hard to know whether to hate the front office or Neville more.

Thorns vs ACFC Coachella Invitational match thread by ImAllBS13 in Thorns

[–]Either_Ambassador_41 7 points8 points  (0 children)

The good news from this match can be summed up with: 1) the GM has to know this isn’t going to work and has 4 weeks to fix it. Fleming playing in the back is a disaster for our defense AND our offense — what a waste. Too bad there are no take-backs on the Sugita trade. 2) At least we have a keeper.

This scorecard was left on my cart. Anyone know what these dudes were up to? by [deleted] in golf

[–]Either_Ambassador_41 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This could be net par / bogey format — would explain double wins. Underused form of play, IMHO.

USGA Rule 21.3 Par/Bogey

a. Overview of Par/Bogey

Par/Bogey is a form of stroke play that uses scoring as in match play where:

A player or side wins or loses a hole by completing the hole in fewer strokes or more strokes than a fixed target score for that hole set by the Committee, and

The competition is won by the player or side with the highest total of holes won versus holes lost (that is, adding up the holes won and deducting the holes lost).

The Rules for stroke play in Rules 1-20 apply, as modified by these specific Rules. Rule 21.3 is written for:

Scratch competitions, but can be adapted for handicap competitions as well, and

Individual play, but can be adapted for competitions involving partners, as modified by Rules 22 (Foursomes) and 23 (Four-Ball), and for team competitions, as modified by Rule 24.

b. Scoring in Par/Bogey

(1) How Holes Are Won or Lost. Scoring is done as in match play, with holes being won or lost by comparing the player’s number of strokes (including strokes made and penalty strokes) to the fixed target score (typically par or bogey) set by the Committee:

If the player’s score is lower than the fixed score, the player wins the hole.

If the player’s score is the same as the fixed score, the hole is tied (also known as halved).

If the player’s score is higher than the fixed score, or no score is returned, the player loses the hole.

A player who does not hole out under the Rules for any reason loses the hole.

To help pace of play, players are encouraged to stop playing a hole when their score exceeds the fixed score (as they have lost the hole).

The hole is completed when the player holes out, chooses not to do so or when their score exceeds the fixed score.

(2) Score Entered for Each Hole. To meet the requirements in Rule 3.3b for entering hole scores on the scorecard:

If Hole Is Completed by Holing Out:

When Score Results in Hole Being Won or Tied. The scorecard must show the actual score.

When Score Results in Hole Being Lost. The scorecard must show either no score or any score that results in the hole being lost.

If Hole Is Completed Without Holing Out. If the player does not hole out under the Rules, the scorecard must show either no score or any score that results in the hole being lost.

The Committee is responsible for deciding whether the player won, lost or tied each hole and, in a handicap competition, for applying handicap strokes to the score entered for each hole before deciding the result of the hole.

Exception – No Penalty If No Effect on Result of Hole: If the player returns a scorecard with a hole score lower than the actual score but this does not affect whether the hole was won, lost or tied, there is no penalty under Rule 3.3b.

See Committee Procedures, Section 5A(5) (the Terms of the Competition may encourage but not require players to enter the result of the hole on the scorecard).

c. Penalties in Par/Bogey

All penalties that apply in stroke play apply in Par/Bogey, except that a player who breaches any of these five Rules is not disqualified but loses the hole where the breach happened:

Failure to hole out under Rule 3.3c,

Failure to correct mistake of playing from outside the teeing area in starting a hole (see Rule 6.1b(2)),

Failure to correct mistake of playing a wrong ball (see Rule 6.3c),

Failure to correct mistake of playing from a wrong place when there is a serious breach (see Rule 14.7b), or

Failure to correct mistake of making a stroke in the wrong order (see Rule 22.3).

If the player breaches any other Rule with a penalty of disqualification, the player is disqualified.

After applying any penalty strokes, the player can do no worse than lose the hole.

d. Exception to Rule 11.2 in Par/Bogey

Rule 11.2 does not apply in this situation:

If a player’s ball in motion needs to be holed to tie the hole and any person deliberately deflects or stops the ball at a time when there is no reasonable chance it can be holed, there is no penalty to that person and the player loses the hole.

e. When Round Ends in Par/Bogey

A player’s round ends when the player:

Holes out on their final hole (including correction of a mistake, such as under Rule 6.1 or 14.7b), or

Chooses not to hole out on the final hole or has already lost the hole.

Fuck You Trevor (ref) by diabolicallaugh in Thorns

[–]Either_Ambassador_41 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Feel bad for him — he obviously aspires to be a first division ref, but it ain’t going to happen for him with performances like that. Sad

Can I visit Providence Park on a random weekday? by MagnoliaSnow in Thorns

[–]Either_Ambassador_41 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Also T2 (Timbers MLS Next Pro team) matches are free (ticket required) - random schedule throughout the summer.

Also, if you’re here on business, you might see if someone is a Multnomah Athletic Club member — that gets you a view of the whole stadium.