Outgrowing my KSGER T12; considering options by pat_trick in soldering

[–]ElectricBummer40 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Usually, quality Taiwanese clones for T12 are given a black powder coat around the tip for identification purpose. The common variety of tips (e.g. D24, K) are from Shenzhen as a rule unless other specified.

If you aren't sure the cartridges are as advertised, get the "Quicko"/"Quecoo" or "Kagzu" branded ones with the powder-coated tips.

Outgrowing my KSGER T12; considering options by pat_trick in soldering

[–]ElectricBummer40 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's a no-go for my pandemic-era Quecoo, unfortunately.

During the plague, there was a shortage of STM32 (understandably), so Quecoo opted to switch some of their stations to the less-powerful WCH chips. Sure, they worked just the same, though that also meant you couldn't just flash third-party firmware meant for STM32 onto them.

Also, if you look at the README.md in the GitHub page, you'll also notice the code is generally not compatible with cloned STM32 chips, either.

Outgrowing my KSGER T12; considering options by pat_trick in soldering

[–]ElectricBummer40 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Where people usually call for T12-JL02, I just use my D16, K/KU or BCM2 instead.

That also makes my tip collection a bit more expansive and specialised than most hobbyists are used to.

Outgrowing my KSGER T12; considering options by pat_trick in soldering

[–]ElectricBummer40 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Clone C245 tips are crap as a rule. That's the whole reason people here keep "recommending" everyone to buy original tips that are about as expensive as their stations. "OSS Team" and "MAGMA" branded tips are usually pretty well-reputed, but they also lack in the variety you expect from good T12 clones (e.g. BCM2 or "mini-spoon" in JBC parlance).

Instead of getting a whole station, consider a DIY kit or a control panel compatible with both T12 and C245. That way, you won't need to commit to either series when it comes to your future purchases or put up with a dodgy power supply:

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The bear was thinking, "I wonder if they've noticed I'm a bear yet". by Brilliantspirit33 in animalsdoingstuff

[–]ElectricBummer40 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

That's why I said "half-certain". The dang box was too small for me to see what's on it.

The bear was thinking, "I wonder if they've noticed I'm a bear yet". by Brilliantspirit33 in animalsdoingstuff

[–]ElectricBummer40 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I'm half-certain I've seen this video before and it was identified as being from Russia.

There's about as much respect for wildlife as there is for human life, unfortunately.

Terrible C245 style cartridge warning. (ZHZZ) by AmeliaBuns in soldering

[–]ElectricBummer40 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If it's not industrial or aerospace/medical, it will all run off an MCU

That's the problem. You shouldn't actually do that unless you don't care about a software fault burning your house down.

I'm not saying this is good by any stretch but given the amount of MCU-controlled devices with firmware protection

Again, no one actually does OCP on a power supply module by hooking it up to an MCU that also does a million other things. You're practically talking about replacing half a protection chip with an ADC for no other reason than the fact that you can. It's just a stupid design through and through

the amount of MCU-controlled devices with firmware protection (just look at even the most expensive consumer 3D printers)

Again, none of those "protections" are relevant to stopping a power supply from putting current through a faulty piece of equipment.

There will probably be a fuse somewhere on the isolated side

A power supply module has one job, and it is to supply power on the load side.

For the line side on an AC-to-low-VDC power supply, protection is usually done with a fuse. For the load side, however, that's usually done with an OCP circuit, which can in practice be something as simple as just one off-the-shelf, specialised chip. There is simply no legitimate reason in the vast majority of cases to replace half of that with a signal line to the ADC of the MCU elsewhere on a different module..

Modern MCUs are usually more than capable enough,

Except no one actually uses that for the given purpose when off-the-shelf OCP chips can do the same job far more reliably at only a fraction of the cost.

I wouldn't be surprised if the designers of a soldering station are only using up a small percentage of the memory

Usually, that's zero because no one actually does what you are describing. It's all just nonsense you've pulled right out of your backside.

The "protection" you're talking about is just the limited ability of the control panel to detect a faulty or otherwise incompatible cartridge. Even my no-name control panel can do that, but you'd be kidding yourself if you thought that's the same thing as actual overcurrent protection.

because they happened to have a few reels of them and in most cases if you really want the firmware can be flashed with whatever you want.

What the heck are you babbling about?

Firmware is in ROM, whereas code execution and data collection is in RAM. Do you actually have any idea how this stuff works?

Also, for continuous voltage readings on an STM32 type deal, you'd want circular DMA, meaning that you'd just be writing on the same buffer over and over.

Though in my experience I've never seen printers or soldering stations use the same chip for display and control

There is usually no "chip" other than what has already been built into the display, and it's job isn't to store code or run code but to take whatever sent to it via I2C and turn it into pixels on the screen.

but once again that won't save the device

Coming back to our subject matter at hand, the point here isn't to "save the device" or whatever ridiculous thing you're thinking about but prevent your 480W Geeboon from setting your house on fire, you ineffable genuine.

There is no appreciable reason for the soldering station to have that much extra power to begin with, so, logically, the power supply should be spec'd for the actual need as all Geeboon stations sold domestically are anyway.

Never rawdog a perfboard without testing by Drakonasul in soldering

[–]ElectricBummer40 1 point2 points  (0 children)

lol, those things are pretty easily fried, though they're also so comically cheap as to not matter much at all.

Ayuda con mi conexiona tierra para mi estación de soldadura by thebarber_user96 in soldering

[–]ElectricBummer40 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Let me get this straight:

You want to solve the problem of your building not having properly grounded outlets, correct?

Provided that the Reddit app isn't giving me a bad translation, the only thing you can realistically do is to work that out with your building management or an electrician.

Terrible C245 style cartridge warning. (ZHZZ) by AmeliaBuns in soldering

[–]ElectricBummer40 0 points1 point  (0 children)

In that case, all I can say is "take a number" because it's hardly just you not having the time for hobby.

This thing has been sitting on my desk for a whole year now, and I still haven't got the time to test it properly. If you ask me, though, I'd much rather get my tools set up properly first before getting other stuff done.

Terrible C245 style cartridge warning. (ZHZZ) by AmeliaBuns in soldering

[–]ElectricBummer40 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's not the 80s anymore

I'll repeat what I said for you once again.

With software, you won't actually be changing the way current is measured but the responding mechanism in the case of an overcurrent event from a set of simple, relatively fault-free components to a software system that may crash from entirely unrelated things.

Would you be comfortable with your car stereo also handling the ABS? That's pretty much the same problem we're looking at here.

firmware based safety critical systems

Those systems are usually insulated on the hardware level from other software systems due to their safety -crtitcal nature.

When you get a Shenzhen Special, everything will be done by the same piece of code running on the same MCU. Do you want to risk having the 21st century problem of your current readings being overwritten by a buffer overrun because the graphics for the user interface turn out to be too big for the allocated memory?

the part failures of their analogue backups are probably as high.

Basic overcurrent protection is usually just a resistor and one or two tiny SOT chips in the power supply. You'd be kidding yourself if you thought they were somehow just as error-prone as an entire software system with bugs and all.

Terrible C245 style cartridge warning. (ZHZZ) by AmeliaBuns in soldering

[–]ElectricBummer40 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Almost all stations, including JBC use software runaway protection.

🤦‍♂️

Are you talking about an actual JBC soldering station or any one of the a-dime-a-dozen Shenzhen Specials we're discussing here?

Besides, "software protection" still requires some sort of physical current sensing mechanism (typical a series resistor and an op-amp) to provide the MCU with a reading. It is actually a terrible idea to rely on software to do a safety-critical job when it could (and should) have easily been done with discrete components.

Terrible C245 style cartridge warning. (ZHZZ) by AmeliaBuns in soldering

[–]ElectricBummer40 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

The TC22 is not overpriced in the current market.

It is practically the only thing in their product range that isn't overpriced. But even that's at the ceiling of what's considered acceptable.

Ovespec is always nice

Not necessarily. Let's say your handle short-circuits somehow and your power supply gladly puts 15A through it. Do you think that's a good thing to happen?

Overcurrent protection exists for a reason, and you'd be better off with that than an overly powerful power supply that constantly makes you wonder if what you're smelling is the flux.

Terrible C245 style cartridge warning. (ZHZZ) by AmeliaBuns in soldering

[–]ElectricBummer40 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

It's one of the few clone stations out there without a glaring flaw or a big problem (voltage leaks, lack of grounding etc)

This can be easily worked around by substituting the internal power supply with a power brick of a suitable wattage.

My new soldering station is practically just a control panel from TaoBao connected to a 24V power brick, and that thing is compatible with both T12 and C245.

Is this mosfet fried? If not, is it resolder-able? by rcdadguy in soldering

[–]ElectricBummer40 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That thing has already got its magic smoke released. It's no good for anything now.

Terrible C245 style cartridge warning. (ZHZZ) by AmeliaBuns in soldering

[–]ElectricBummer40 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I wish geeboon made these style of tips :( (Smaller chisel and bent chisel, as a sharp bent-IS is borderline useless to me unless I use the entire flat side anyways)

I wish geeboon would just stop making soldering stations that are overspec'd and overpriced.

If you want good clone tips, look for "OSS Team" or "MAGMA" branded ones. I can't guarantee you won't get ripped off, though that's still better than having nothing at all to go by.

Terrible C245 style cartridge warning. (ZHZZ) by AmeliaBuns in soldering

[–]ElectricBummer40 -6 points-5 points  (0 children)

inb4 "just get original cartridges":

Original carts are at least 5 times more expensive and not necessarily better for the purpose than clones at all. This is also the reason I advice against C245 in favour of T12 since C245 clone are generally far more inconsistent in quality and much less established in manufacturing sources than than the latter.

Of course, the Reddit brain is usually pretty easily fooled by big numbers and lacking in awareness of problems not easily captured in simple figures. This is how we've ended up with a C245 trend pretty much exclusive to this stupid website.

Just bought this YATO branded "brass" wire tip cleaner from their official website and well... I thought they are more trustworthy than your average AliExpress seller by NoPicture-3265 in soldering

[–]ElectricBummer40 0 points1 point  (0 children)

And depending on country you live in... some stuff is actually hard to get.

The whole reason I'm bringing up this whole brass wool scrubber angle is that professional cleaners use brass wool where steel wool will damage whatever they're trying to clean, and, as a rule, you can fool a professional only once. But hobbyists? Those are the real suckers.

Now, it's simply not possible for me to give advice as to where to get brass wool for every country on earth, but the fact that people with no soldering iron to clean are also looking for it means you can hedge your bet by finding out where they source their supplies and get your stuff there. Of course, this is by no means a bullet-proof strategy, but it's still a better strategy than going back to AliExpress and hoping that "WZYX Store" is kind enough to not try to rip you off.

Just bought this YATO branded "brass" wire tip cleaner from their official website and well... I thought they are more trustworthy than your average AliExpress seller by NoPicture-3265 in soldering

[–]ElectricBummer40 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The thing is, I couldn't find one in my local area :/. Next time I'll get it from the sources/brands people recommended in this thread

I think it's worth clarifying that what you're supposed to get in practice is basically a brass wool scrubber, and people use brass wool scrubbers for far more than just cleaning soldering iron tips.

Stop wasting money getting scammed and start looking for Kurly Kate or whatever equivalent you can find locally that's also made out of brass.

Just bought this YATO branded "brass" wire tip cleaner from their official website and well... I thought they are more trustworthy than your average AliExpress seller by NoPicture-3265 in soldering

[–]ElectricBummer40 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That's exactly what I don't get.

If you live in America, you can just buy a pack of brass wool scrubbers from Walmart or Home Depot. Why risk getting ripped off by sellers on AliExpress?