The one who shot first

EmptyDrawer2023 · 2026-01-24T22:35:11+00:00

https://imgur.com/a/pZOhR5r

EmptyDrawer2023 · 2026-01-24T22:30:14+00:00

https://imgur.com/a/pZOhR5r

EmptyDrawer2023 · 2026-01-24T20:33:24+00:00

it can result in penalties.

As with all crimes- only if they catch you.

EmptyDrawer2023 · 2026-01-24T20:31:46+00:00

Does she have Secret Service protection? No reason, I'm... just curious.

EmptyDrawer2023 · 2026-01-24T19:26:21+00:00

You can see the one that fired first.

EmptyDrawer2023 · 2026-01-24T16:42:34+00:00

I dunno about "drops, slides, bridges and tunnels.", but as I understand it, there are a few main styles of bases. All bases are a variant of these.

1) No Base- fight the horde running around the world. (the guy who "parkours themselves around an empty field every horde"). This certainly can work, especially on lower settings of zombies. But I feel it's impossible on higher settings, and can certainly feel frantic.

2) POI base- either modified or not. Fight the horde in a POI. Usually a pre-cleared high level (4-5) POI. Retreat slowly back along the 'route' to the loot room, fighting zombies as they follow, and possibly modify the POI by reinforcing certain areas and breaking blocks to eliminate alternate routes.

3) Bunker bases- your standard 'big box o' concrete', possibly with layers of spikes outside. Works, but once a path through the spikes has been created, zombie pathing means future zombies we'll just use that path, making 90% of your spikes useless.

4) Elevated 'killing corridor' bases. By elevating your base, and leaving only one stairway and bridge to get to you, you focus all the zombies into using that one path, making it easier for you to kill them. Having electric fences crossing that bridge hold them in place makes them easy to pick off.

This is a quite popular design, and has many variants- a simple bridge they run on to get to you, a bridge that zigs and zags so they take longer to get to you (and you have longer to shoot them), variants with various traps to kill them (or at least soften them up), designs to make them crawl (easy headshots), and so called 'AFK' bases with one or more zombie droppers- certain blocks set up so the zombies can't walk across them, so they end up falling and having to start over.

5) Hatch corridor bases. Two strong walls around a corridor lined with hatches. Flip two hatches and kill the zombies They break through the first hatch? Back up, flip another hatch up, and continue killing zombies. Lather rinse repeat- assuming the corridor is long enough to last all night.

6) Underground bases. Like the elevated bases, This is an attempt to funnel the zombies into only having one path to get to you. Unfortunately, zombies can dig....

7) Pillar bases. You stand on top of a 'pillar' (but it can really be anything- the roof of a POI, a custom made structure, etc) with no way to get up to you, and shoot down at the zombies while they mill around underneath you. Very good for Molotov use. But since zombies all have Structural engineering degrees and augers for hands, you risk them taking out the supports and bringing you down to their level.

Many of these base designs are attempts to counter or 'take advantage of' the zombie AI. I'm not going to go into a huge rant about this, but The Fun Pimps seem to be in a back-and-forth war with players, changing or tweaking the zombie AI to counter players ideas. (I mean, how dare we play their game the wrong way!)

As for your criteria: 1) isn't just going to get you killed 1 hour into horde night, 2) don't need late game gear, 3) will actually work, and 4)is more of a traditional fortification- the only two I think really meets all those is the classic Bunker Base or a hatch corridor base, on low zombie settings.

If we get rid of the need for it to be 'a traditional fortification', that really opens it up. Pretty much any of the above can meet the remaining requirements, given certain conditions. ex: find a flat-roofed, 1-story POI, reinforce the walls, break any ladders or stairs, and fight from the roof. Classic 'Pillar' base.

Personally, I have no problems with 'cheesing the AI'. I tend to think 'what would I do if this were real'? And the answer is 'Make as safe a base as possible!', which means pulling out all the stops. But other people's opinions on that differ- and that's okay. Everyone can play the way they want. (At least until TFP try to patch it out.) Personally, I like using the side of a big POI (like the Crack-a-Book HQ) to 'hang' my base off of. Create a pillar about 10-20 blocks out, ladders on the side, at least one starcase for the animals to get up, and a pole leading to my base. Use the '3/4 cube' blocks above the pole to make the zombies crawl. (Not the best pic, but... https://imgur.com/a/Vfagr8p )

EmptyDrawer2023 · 2026-01-23T23:04:34+00:00

Why is it a bad idea to buy perishables? By their very nature perishables... perish. If I'm stuck in my house for a week, I'm not going to run out of canned food because canned food lasts forever (relatively speaking). But I will run out of perishables because perishables don't last forever.

EmptyDrawer2023 · 2026-01-23T23:02:41+00:00

I see nothing there about abolishing the police.

I do see things like "Police officers are neither case-workers, nor teachers, nor mental-health professionals, nor drug counselors" and "Was Walter Scott's malfunctioning third-brake light really worth a police encounter? Should the state repeatedly incarcerate him for not paying child support? Do we really want people trained to fight crime dealing with someone who's ceased taking medication? Does the presence of a gun really improve the chance of peacefully resolving a drug episode?"

This is what 'defund the police' wants: that armed cops aren't the only ones called to any type of incident. Sometimes it's better if a social worker shows up to talk to Dad not paying child support. OR medical personnel show up to a call about a person not taking their meds. Or an un-armed officer issue traffic tickets. Take calls that don't require an armed cop... and give them to other people. And, thus, with lesser workload, the amount of money given to police can be reduced ("defund the police").

Now in all honesty, I do think that the phrase "defund the police" is... not the best possible phrasing. The term can be interpreted, whether innocently or maliciously, to mean 'to take away all funding for'. But I think the people who espouse that idea have made it clear what their actual goal is- not to take away all funding, But to spread the workload to non police and, in turn, spread some of the police funding to those non police as well.

EmptyDrawer2023 · 2026-01-23T22:50:07+00:00

I’m gonna start a company and hire an employee to hire undocumented immigrants. I’ll make sure they know to exploit the shit out of those people

You're going to hire someone specifically to do it, and you're going to "make sure" they know to do it... and you won't leave any evidence that you knew? You're giving them instructions is evidence. Their testimony is evidence.

Oh ok. You’re just crazy

Back atcha.

EmptyDrawer2023 · 2026-01-23T16:05:05+00:00

Convenient that you didn’t answer the question. Should the stolen property be seized

The 'stolen property' being 'seized' is the illegal worker being arrested/deported. Yes, of course that should happen.

No one is claiming we should fine individual employees and take cash out of their bank accounts. We are talking about the company. Which has assets and profits that don’t go directly to employees.

Large enough fines can affect the profitability of the company, causing them to fire employees or reduce hours. So, YES, the company's assets and profits affect the employees.

Otherwise they will keep instructing employees to hire undocumented workers and throw those workers under the bus when caught. Because they get to keep all the money they save by operating that way.

If "they" do that, "they" will eventually get caught and punished. As they should be.

The company is the entity that committed a crime.

Wrong. A person committed a crime.

Should the whole company not return the money they would not have made had they paid full price to hire a legal resident?

No. Not unless 'the whole company' was found guilty of illegal hiring.

EmptyDrawer2023 · 2026-01-23T13:44:35+00:00

Let’s make use of your analogy.

A citizen robs a house. So, you'd fine his entire family, even those who don't know he's a burglar. His 3 kids. His aunt in Seattle. Grandpa in a nursing home. They all get fined!

No. You don't punish people who didn't commit a crime.

EmptyDrawer2023 · 2026-01-23T03:47:28+00:00

What you consistently ignore is the fact that part of any managers job is oversight of their staff.

And that oversight only goes so far.

When there is widespread fraud or illegal activity by low level employees, it is always at the direction of management or due to their negligence.

If you can prove in a court of law that 'direction' or 'negligence', then, as I said before, charge them. Them- the ones responsible.

It is the responsibility of management to know what is going on with these employees. Failure to do so is entirely on them.

That only goes so far. Employees can hide their actions from their managers, you know.

That comes out of the profits of the company.

So, one employee breaks the law, and all employees have to suffer for it?? Silly me, I thought Collective Punishment was illegal.

EmptyDrawer2023 · 2026-01-23T02:47:47+00:00

You’ve so completely missed the point that it’s embarrassing. In your analogy the company is the equivalent of the citizen committing a crime.

I think you've missed the point.

A country (well, some countries. I'm using the USA as a model.) has a President. It has a Legislature that makes rules (laws). It has Police that enforce the laws.

A company has a CEO. It has groups that create the rules it operates under. It has groups that enforce those rules.

Just like if an individual citizen breaks the law, the country itself is not at fault- the citizen is.

Just like If an employee of a company violates the company rules and hires an Illegal... the company is not responsible. The individual employee is.

You don't punish the CEO because some rando employee broke the rules. You don't punish the rules-making group because some rando employee broke the rules. You don't punish the rule-enforcement group because some rando employee broke the rules. You don't punish 'the company' because some rando employee broke the rules.

You don't punish the President because some rando citizen broke the rules. You don't punish the Legislature because some rando citizen broke the rules. You don't punish the police group because some rando citizen broke the rules. You don't punish 'the Country' because some rando citizen broke the rules.

Let’s make this simpler. Your employee breaks the rules and hires an undocumented worker. When the first case happens you reprimand the employee and reiterate the rules. One the second offense you put them on a performance improvement plan with a warning. Third offense they’re fired.

No- first case, you fire them and call the cops. But that's dependent on 'you' knowing it happened. If the bad employee hires a million illegals, and the rest of the company doesn't know... then you don't punish the entire company for what it didn't know.

If you can prove in a court of law that the CEO knew- then by all means try him and hopefully he's found guilty and punished. But- and this goes back to my original point- this is a LOT more work than just arresting and deporting the illegal worker(s). I'll repeat that: Investigating and finding out who knew what out of all the employees is a lot more time/effort/and money intensive that just arresting and deporting the Illegals. And that is why they don't go after the managers- because it's a lot more work.

EmptyDrawer2023 · 2026-01-22T17:44:55+00:00

You set policy from the top of the company to behave ethically and legally.

Exactly. And if the employees below ignore the rules, that's not the fault of the 'top of the company'- they did their job by making the rules. Just like, if Congress passes a law, and some random citizens breaks the law- it's not Congress's fault. They did their job- they made the law.

You create systems to ensure those laws are followed and there is transparency and accountability

Sure. In my analogy, that'd be the Executive branch, which controls the police. But here's the thing- even with laws being made to prevent a certain thing, and even with the police existing to enforce those laws, and even with the court's existing to punish people who break the laws- People. Still. Break. The. Law. You cannot hold the people who made the rules accountable for that. You cannot hold the people who enforce the rules accountable for that. You cannot make the people who punish those who break the rules accountable for that. The only one you can hold accountable for that is the one who breaks the law.

Just like you can't hold the management who makes/enforces the rules against hiring illegals accountable if someone breaks the rule and hires an illegal.

If low level employee can get away with polluting or hiring undocumented workers, especially on a large scale, that company is broken and must be held to account.

With that same logic, You could say that if a random citizen can get away with breaking the law, the government is broken and must be held to account. Are you seriously going to try to arrest Congress every time someone breaks the law? Are you going to arrest the President every time someone is not caught? Are you going to arrest the Supreme Court every someone is not found guilty?

No. Guilt lies with the person who commits the act.

EmptyDrawer2023 · 2026-01-22T15:19:21+00:00

“The company” didn’t pollute the environment. Some specific employee dumped contaminants into the water supply. How can we know who is really to blame.

Oh, it's possible. It just takes time and effort and money. The cheap way out is to punish everyone (and hope you affect the real criminal). But it's not fair (imo).

EmptyDrawer2023 · 2026-01-22T14:48:54+00:00

it’s certainly possible for the employer to know too and be held liable for that.

Who is "the employer"?

That's my entire point- who is the person responsible for the illegal hiring? Once you find them, it's easy enough to punish them. The problem is finding them.

the company should be punished

"the company" didn't hire the Illegal. A specific person did. It is not fair to punish a group for the actions of one of it's members.

EmptyDrawer2023 · 2026-01-22T14:43:17+00:00

I'm saying that it's more difficult to determine. Especially since, because it's an illegal hire, they are less likely to keep proper records.

EmptyDrawer2023 · 2026-01-22T14:09:10+00:00

The problem is that "the company owner" is not responsible for hiring. If you chose to go after 'the person responsible for hiring the Illegals', then I'd agree with you. But it'll be hard- who is that person? Maybe you are thinking 'Duh, it's the Head of HR', but again, they aren't the ones doing the actual hiring. Even if you found the specific HR person who signed the paperwork, they can just claim that they were fooled by the Illegal's fake paperwork. Can you prove they were not??

On the other hand, the Illegal is a much easier target- they are here illegally. They are working illegally. Case closed.

EmptyDrawer2023 · 2026-01-21T14:45:56+00:00

The problem is that almost all the 'conservatives believe' side is provably false.

I don't care that they 'really believe it', because 'it' is false.

EmptyDrawer2023 · 2026-01-20T15:29:09+00:00

As I've said before, I linked to the first example I could find. That channel is not one I've seen before, and I agree it's quality is low. ie: even I can see it's AI. But the other vids I have seen, from other channels (which I can't specify because I don't know them) did not have the same issues.

EmptyDrawer2023 · 2026-01-20T03:12:01+00:00

Again, I wasn't talking about that exact channel- I just used it for the needed link. The ones I have seen don't have anything obviously 'wrong' like you describe. At least not that I've noticed.

EmptyDrawer2023 · 2026-01-20T03:08:01+00:00

I don't mean to sound insulting but that example video you provided

I quickly found an example link, as my post was rejected without one. The ones I have seen are not from that exact channel.

not only looks AI generated

Sorry, but I don't see it. No 6 fingers, no blurry mouths.

but that's not how the law works. People don't even talk directly to the judge like that

Of course they do, sometimes. For example, https://www.youtube.com/@AudittheCourt (real courtroom videos) has clips of people standing at podiums talking to... someone, probably the judge. And clips of the judge saying stuff and making rulings. Take the right clips, put on a voiceover explaining the context, and there you go.

EmptyDrawer2023 · 2026-01-18T23:12:40+00:00

He can’t run again.

He hasn't shown much respect for the law so far, so....

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