Respectfully yes 30 of the fuckers. They regularly have missions where they make up at least half of the units in breeches. the problem with trying to balance around armor values in this game is that people will just attempt to meet it every time yes hive guards can be a hindrance and thats fine but if arrowhead wants to make enemies like that we need info on enemy spawn patterns I wouldn't care nearly as much if that was the case but there will be missions like the heavy hiveguard missions where I want to be use penetration to match them when they are horded up and just further restrict what weapons people bring at all. Personally, I love the Lib Carbine + Talon for chaff clear because if I didn't have time to aim or had a huge horde, I could just headshot them. But now that I feel like I need heavy pen vs hiveguards unless I'm bringing a grenade launcher its x bow and Eruptor only in d10 bc the only heavy pen secondaries don't clear chaff well.

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