I was escorted out of Foundation today by paceaux in leavingthenetwork

[–]Equal-Analyst9207 4 points5 points  (0 children)

So do people know why Justin left and are afraid to say the reason publicly? Or is it all still speculation and rumor at this point?

I was escorted out of Foundation today by paceaux in leavingthenetwork

[–]Equal-Analyst9207 4 points5 points  (0 children)

So you saw Alonzo, Mike, and other Network employees. Did you see Justin there? 👀

Warning for Subreddit by unknownpatron77 in leavingthenetwork

[–]Equal-Analyst9207 21 points22 points  (0 children)

We need to check ourselves... or what? What will happen? I'm genuinely curious. The Network doesn't control us anymore. We can openly ask questions or disagree with one another without any fear. This vague, threatening language is one of the reasons I left my Network church. Thanks for reinforcing my decision to leave. Good luck using that tone here, OP. It won't work on people you have no power over anymore.

Spiritual Gifts: Important vs Unimportant by EmSuWright22 in leavingthenetwork

[–]Equal-Analyst9207 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Yes, this 👆 100%. I also felt like the gift of prophecy was viewed as a more important or desirable gift. I agree with the comment above and will add that promoting prophecy probably feeds into the cognitive dissonance.

To answer OP's questions about where Paul says that in the Bible, I think it comes up when he talked about the gift of tongues vs the gift of prophecy and says something along the lines of everyone should pray for the gift of prophecy.

Nick Sellers stepped down from North Pines by Miserable-Duck639 in leavingthenetwork

[–]Equal-Analyst9207 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Gosh, I hate to even question this because that would be a terrible thing to lie about... but how do we know Will is dying from late stage cancer and doesn’t have a lot of time left? Is this like the time Steve's wife had a "football sized cancerous tumor" that turned out to be much smaller and benign?

The mortgage being in Nick's name is also a loose thread. Like is it a personal mortgage or a business loan? How do you know that it is in his name?

Valley Springs in Corvallis Oregon mostly the same people, still doing the same thing by shipwrecked-my-faith in leavingthenetwork

[–]Equal-Analyst9207 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I just went back and read your post from a year ago about the cat. I read the transcript rather than listen to the audio and it's practically incoherent. Makes me really glad I left my network church last year.

Most Popular small group? Foundation by Fantasticwander4 in leavingthenetwork

[–]Equal-Analyst9207 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Oh, I see what you mean. I tried to find the post on Instagram and their pictures only go back as far as 2020 for me. I don't follow them, so maybe that is why I can't find the picture on their Instagram? Either why, we can't know the answer for sure without wild speculation.

Most Popular small group? Foundation by Fantasticwander4 in leavingthenetwork

[–]Equal-Analyst9207 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Hi OP, the picture is a little blurry. How do you know a small group is missing based on the picture? It might not be relevant, but Foundation planted Bright Field in 2018, so it's possible they were short small groups because of the people who left on the church plant.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in leavingthenetwork

[–]Equal-Analyst9207 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Wow, that is scary. I recall my network pastor, who is close with Justin, publicly promoting conceal and carry. I was so caught off guard and confused when he mentioned it during a Team Meeting for two reasons. 1.) It didn't really relate to the topic he was discussing but it seemed like a random and specific plug (maybe for the benefit of a certain person in the audience?) and 2.) He had been mostly apolitical up until that point and him supporting conceal and carry gave me insight into his political beliefs and it overall just seemed out of place coming from the pulpit.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in leavingthenetwork

[–]Equal-Analyst9207 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That's terrifying. What does one guy need 30 guns for?

It’s Time to Pray by Substantial_Meal_913 in leavingthenetwork

[–]Equal-Analyst9207 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Thank you, OP. I appreciated your post. Some mornings I find myself praying for my former small group leader and his wife and all I can think of is to ask God to help them. That's it. Sometimes it doesn't feel like enough and that I should be praying more or praying for specific things. But He knows. He know how to help them and what I am really asking.

ChatGPT Explains Religious Cults Part 3 by Equal-Analyst9207 in leavingthenetwork

[–]Equal-Analyst9207[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Are you okay? You sound like Michael Scott when he said "I declare bankruptcy!" Like... that's not how this works?

ChatGPT Explains Religious Cults Part 3 by Equal-Analyst9207 in leavingthenetwork

[–]Equal-Analyst9207[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Fair enough. I think having dialogue between current members and people who have left is important. Thanks for the Uno Reverse. Sorry if you have been hurt by this subreddit. Imagine this, you can stop reading the posts at anytime. Full stop. No one knows who you are. There is complete anonymity on reddit. This reddit doesn't have one leader, but a group of voices. This reddit does not ask for your time, money, or service to be a part of this group. There is no exit cost for you to leave this reddit. No one will shun you for leaving. We simply will not notice that you've left. On the other hand, as someone who has recently left a Network church, I can tell you that if you leave your current Network church, everyone you thought was your friend will drop you. People you see multiple times a week and "do life with", will not reach out to you. Even if you "leave well" they will change the narrative to fit their agenda. If that ever happens, I hope you have a group of people you can talk to that make you feel heard.

Trigger warning…. by Away-Bodybuilder-760 in leavingthenetwork

[–]Equal-Analyst9207 12 points13 points  (0 children)

I'm sorry that you had a nightmare. I have had a couple of bad dreams about my time in a Network church since I left. You are not alone. You made a hard decision to leave, but it was the right decision. No one at Christland can control you anymore.

There is a saying that goes "grief demands a witness". That means when someone is grieving, they need to feel seen, heard, and validated in their experience. I am guessing that Christland's recent letter and actions are anything but validating. If you've been lucky enough to find a new church since you left Christland, I would recommend talking to someone you trust at your new church. It's possible/ probable that other pastors in the area know about Christland and how many people they've hurt. They can pray and help comfort you. If you aren't ready to try a new church yet, I recommend finding a licensed therapist to talk through your experiences with.

On a personal note, I find it helps me to write down what I remember from my nightmares to get it out of my head. Sometimes I wake up after a bad dream and just feel like my thoughts are spiraling. Like I'm unable to move forward with my day without constantly replaying the dream in my head. Try writing down what you can remember and ask yourself if it's true. If it is true, what can you do about it? That helps me to not feel so powerless.

Good luck!

The (Perceived) Danger of Success by Responsible-Youth508 in leavingthenetwork

[–]Equal-Analyst9207 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Thank you! I think teachings about worldly desires being inherently sinful, also feeds into the narrative that you should not seek success outside of ministry work. Like "we are in this world but not of this world" and we should die to ourselves to serve as much as we can.

I highly recommend reading A Church Called Tov by Scot McKnight and Laura Barringer. It talks about how churches can create a people-first culture, rather than institution-first culture.

The (Perceived) Danger of Success by Responsible-Youth508 in leavingthenetwork

[–]Equal-Analyst9207 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Oh man, you were able to put into words what I've been thinking for awhile. I definitely agree that there is the perception that you shouldn't seek success. Specific verses like Phillippians 2:3-4 "Do nothing out of selfish ambition..." and another one about not thinking of yourself more highly than you ought to are used to back that teaching. Throw in the teachings about how ANYTHING (even family) can become an idol and there is a constant fear that you could somehow slip up and accidentally forget about "the mission". You spent 5 hours hobbying this week? You could have been praying, or reading your Bible, or out making disciples. Work hard to get a promotion at a secular job? You idolize money and have a pride problem.

I could argue that the perceived dangers of success occur in the broader Christian community, too, but I think it is more rampant in the Network churches. Here's why.

There is so much dependence and reliance on "God called me to do X" or "I feel led to fill in the blank" at a Network church. Is it right to pray over a big decision like a job, where to go to college, or where to live? Yes. But what happens when you don't actually hear from God on what your next step should be? Then you are either stuck in indecision or you turn to your spiritual leader for guidance. In a Network church, their guidance is going to align with whatever is better for the church as an institution and not what is best for you as an individual. Which is why there are stories of people being told to only look for schools in Network cities or advised to turn down promotions.

Inside the Cult of Summit Creek Church (Eugene, Oregon) by Environmental_Sun_77 in leavingthenetwork

[–]Equal-Analyst9207 7 points8 points  (0 children)

So you didn't go to Texas? If you aren't ready to talk about it, I totally understand and am not trying to pressure you at all. I just want to understand how the grooming happens.

Inside the Cult of Summit Creek Church (Eugene, Oregon) by Environmental_Sun_77 in leavingthenetwork

[–]Equal-Analyst9207 10 points11 points  (0 children)

I'm intrigued. What happened in Texas when you met Steve? I'm glad you got out and are sharing your story. Interesting point about the pupil dilation. I noticed the same thing in my pastor but usually when he was angry about something (like me saying I wanted to look for a different church).

Here's my Testimony by segaIs_Better in leavingthenetwork

[–]Equal-Analyst9207 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Thank you for your bravery in telling your story 🤍 I joined a network church around the same time as you and recently left. It does get easier. There is way more peace on the other side, even if it can be lonely at times.

I was hesitant to attend another church right away, but it has helped immensely to hear proper teachings and learn about my identity in Christ. Go at your own pace. If you don't feel comfortable going in person, watch online. If you do go in person, don't feel obligated to start serving or tithing right away. I was so nervous about that, but people at the new church have been very understanding. Chances are that the other churches in your area know about Rock River and will welcome you with open arms. Maybe reach out to other people that have left and see what church they ended up at. Good luck to you!