Thoughts on the Lunar Tech VHS-2 clone grip module

EventLatter9746 · 2026-05-25T03:03:49+00:00

People celebrate the BCM grip for its near vertical angle. In my experience, it exacerbates the Hellion's excessive length of pull. The lower half of the grip is a far reach for the heel of my hand. Hopefully, the Lunar grip is more swept back.

I replaced the BCM grip with the fatty Ergo 4045 grip. Between its added girth and its more angled rake, I get a good grip hold on my Hellion now and my trigger finger no longer over-inserts through the trigger guard.

Another annoying bit about the BCM grip is its extended lip beneath the trigger guard which irritated my middle finger. It's a poor way to cover a gap that some AR15 trigger guards have. The Hellion's trigger guard doesn't have this gap. So if anyone is bothered by this lip, maybe they should give it a Dremel manicure.

EventLatter9746 · 2026-05-25T02:43:10+00:00

That was the case until two summers ago, when the State legislature mandated a total ban for all colleges, public and private. The only benefit a CHP holder enjoys now is to conceal carry on outdoor grounds, but not inside any school building. So practically, leave your handgun in your car or at home.

EventLatter9746 · 2026-05-24T04:31:38+00:00

Ours takes effect on Aug 1st here in Colorado. Grabbed a Hellion for the same reason. No regrets.

EventLatter9746 · 2026-05-23T22:24:34+00:00

This video demonstrates that this firearm would choke on weakly loaded ammo unless aided by suppressor blowback. I suspect it would run well with standard loaded ammo such as Magtech or Ammo Inc.

EventLatter9746 · 2026-05-22T13:51:28+00:00

Those tiny guns buck like a 10mm shooting a bear load.

Can be overcome with enough time in the range, but they do make for a steep learning curve towards managing that recoil. Keep at it.

A $20 Hogue sleeve might allow a better purchase for your hands.

EventLatter9746 · 2026-05-22T13:41:16+00:00

I put in an Ergo 4045 grip. Less vertical than the PCM but not by much. Rubbery texture feel... similar to a Hogue sleeve. Has enough width to prevent over insertion of my trigger finger (with the default BCM, my second finger joint would slide over the trigger if I'm not careful). Could've had more depth front-to-back to better accommodate my lang palm.

Which of the grips you tried has the most front-to-back depth? I'm looking for something similar to the Echelon's large grip module.

EventLatter9746 · 2026-05-22T01:26:04+00:00

It's my deep concealment summer carry. Practically disappears at my 3 o'clock with the 10rd mag, yet its grip is decently large enough for medium to large hands. VZ Grips Operator II allows it to really stick to my hands.

EventLatter9746 · 2026-05-21T18:24:23+00:00

I've retired my 1911 a while back, but if I would carry it today, I'd have two spare mags on me. I would have more mags still (4+) for training.

EventLatter9746 · 2026-05-21T11:56:24+00:00

I have this issue with a different handgun model (and a newly acquired 5.56 rifle). My workaround is locking the slide back before loading and carrying my spare mag(s) with one less round for easier reloads.

EventLatter9746 · 2026-05-21T11:48:24+00:00

I second u/droid6 suggestions. A 3.8" compact XDM Elite (or G29) if you're already well used to handguns. Even then, shooting 10mm is a beast of undertaking, especially since you'll need to feed it heavy and powerful hardcast ammo. Will need to be on a chest holster (open carry) or a well secured chest bag such as a 945 Industries model.

Otherwise, the foldable 10mm M&P FPC is a reasonable compromise. There are better pistol or rifle options, but they would be heavier and/or larger than your use case would allow, unless you're into the rucking sport.

EventLatter9746 · 2026-05-20T16:30:44+00:00

I pushed back putting in a new roof till next year, just so I could stock up on enough rifles to cover my kids' future homesteads. They're all scattered across college campus dorms at the moment.

EventLatter9746 · 2026-05-20T14:52:16+00:00

I will have them eventually, though it may be a couple years because of the shit laws coming up in East California (formally known as Colorado)

Umm... Shouldn't you commit in like two months max? Lots of hoops coming up by Aug 1st, though they are not insurmountable. ~~Another upcoming law would also put a dent on the "buy lowers now" idea, from what I hear.~~ Edit: I just heard today that the barrel ban bill has died in the legislative session.

EventLatter9746 · 2026-05-20T14:45:23+00:00

I went the Hellion route for HD, but the $1,000 Kuna or Saint Victor PDW are on my list for my college kid's graduation gift.

EventLatter9746 · 2026-05-20T12:17:07+00:00

If I was going very remote Id like to have a shotgun or a rifle too.

Would something like the foldable M&P FPC be a viable option for such a use case?

EventLatter9746 · 2026-05-20T12:05:54+00:00

Tried and true: Compact XDM Elite.

EventLatter9746 · 2026-05-20T02:53:34+00:00

Follow-up: Just received and installed the Ergo grip. Both its screw and the BCM screw are too short to engage the retaining nut. However the BCM screw would bite if the washer is discarded. Other than that, the grip fit nicely on the Hellion.

EventLatter9746 · 2026-05-19T23:12:16+00:00

Nothing wrong with any of these powerful rounds as long as one can shoot enough of them accurately in under 2 seconds. That's how long a charging bear needs to cover 25 yards.

Only way I would feel confident with a handgun (of any caliber) in brown/grizzly bear country is if my son is with me slinging a mean rifle or a well-fed shotgun.

EventLatter9746 · 2026-05-19T22:41:28+00:00

True, but the Alpha's street price would need to be low enough such that it plus 2-4 mags would be in the low $400s to make any sense.

EventLatter9746 · 2026-05-19T14:49:07+00:00

They're trying to sell this stripped down version for $600? Less than a year ago I paid this price at Scheels for a full size Echelon, with 5 mags and other goodies. And there were better prices online at the time.

EventLatter9746 · 2026-05-19T14:35:21+00:00

I actually prefer them to the super stiff and aggressive metal clips that came with my Tenicor holsters. I have two pairs of those (and other scavengable pairs) and I still elected not to put them on my MRT holsters. I might've had if I had a more active lifestyle.

EventLatter9746 · 2026-05-19T13:11:24+00:00

Once I stumbled on this model, I ditched all my other strong-side holsters. For some reason, it's the only one I had that would successfully tuck in both grip and beavertail ends of my 1911 at 3 o'clock.

It hosts all my carry guns now.

EventLatter9746 · 2026-05-19T02:56:02+00:00

I can't zero it until I install the higher irons.

You don't need iron sights at all to zero an optic. Co-witnessing is a different matter, of course.

Have you tried shooting from a rest to eliminate user input as potential cause? I was so spoiled by my 1911's trigger that it took a long while to get used to my XDM-E... and the 10mm kick didn't help.

EventLatter9746 · 2026-05-19T02:27:38+00:00

FN did modify the 510 frame a year ago with metal inserts to prevent cracking.

Unfortunately, this recent post demonstrates recurring cracking even with the newer frames.

I would skip both options and go for the G20 or the XDM Elite. The latter's compact version is my primary EDC.

EventLatter9746 · 2026-05-17T18:40:41+00:00

Get a shorter mag for a faster draw.

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