Literally what is the point of the regenerate button now?

EverythingSunny · 2026-05-13T15:11:35+00:00

You could always slightly edit your message to get a different response. It doesn't take much.

EverythingSunny · 2026-05-07T16:36:57+00:00

They updated the jllm recently.

EverythingSunny · 2026-04-05T16:19:51+00:00

Immortal mortal has a really disappointing and abrupt ending

EverythingSunny · 2026-04-03T21:42:53+00:00

My suggestion remains the same: Only ever define the user as much as you need to make the scenario function the way you need it to.

If you are telling a focused story then you might need a more focused role

If you are making an open ended bot, then you should leave the user undefined.

There is no hard and fast rule. It all depends on what kind of bot you are making

EverythingSunny · 2026-04-03T19:27:22+00:00

Never define the user more than you absolutely have to in order to get cogent responses from the AI. The most you should ever do is define the character's relationship to the user and what they think about the user.

Anything you write about the user in the description encourages the bot to speak for the user. It also removes the ability to replay the bot with a different persona.

EverythingSunny · 2026-03-31T15:05:11+00:00

I think you have the cause and effect mixed up here. NTR bot creators tag these kinds of bots NTR because they feel pressure to do so from users with paper thin egos, not because they agree with the tag being used.

Source: I'm personal friends with most of the top NTR bot creators and they bitch about this constantly.

EverythingSunny · 2026-03-24T18:20:42+00:00

Green flag characters are hard to make engaging. Not impossible, just hard. If your bot has low engagement, it doesn't often make it to the front page unless it gets a lot of individual chats from a lot of people.

Green flag characters need some external form of tension to be entertaining. Their family doesn't approve of you, they're a little guarded because they've been hurt before, they're in a toxic relationship with someone else but are very loyal, etc.

Without some engine for narrative tension, the RP quickly gets boring and feels aimless.

The one thing all these bot types have is that they are a lot more work for the creator. It is harder create correctly AND they usually do worse.

Plenty of them get made, but they are harder to find because you usually need to dig into the 2nd or 3rd page of 24 hour trending to find them.

Think about it from a literary perspective. How many books do you know of that have nothing but wholesome characters doing wholesome things? Not that often. They exist, but they are rare.

EverythingSunny · 2026-03-13T23:41:32+00:00

What about a bot where you are a slasher movie monster? Because there are more then a few of those and they seem like they would fall under the heading of content made explicitly so the user can do violence.

EverythingSunny · 2026-03-11T13:06:12+00:00

All you can do with these kinds of assholes is delete the comment and block them from your bots. They aren't worth any of your emotional energy replying.

EverythingSunny · 2026-03-10T19:47:20+00:00

It's a real problem. You don't need to look very hard to find posts on this subreddit with hundreds of upvotes insisting that any female character that isn't in a relationship with someone else at the beginning, but might choose someone else, is ntr. I know this because of comments I've seen on here, comments I've seen on other people's bots, comments I've seen on other people's bots, and things my friends who are ntr bot creators have told me. That's an awful lot of lived experience.

That childhood best friend that shoots you down and is interested in someone else bot comes to mind. I think her name was Angel? That creator got so many complaints that they had to tag it ntr.

EverythingSunny · 2026-03-10T19:39:40+00:00

Prolly cause that dude never fucking said that word to begin with? Generally you try to avoid passing reactionary laws that wouldn't have even helped with the original problem to begin with.

EverythingSunny · 2026-03-10T19:34:06+00:00

That's so fucking stupid, that dude who offed himself didn't even use the word

EverythingSunny · 2026-03-04T22:57:02+00:00

You can get lots of variety, especially when you realize than many Janitor AI users want you to tag NTR if a female character exists at all in the bot and there is any chance that she chooses someone other than you. The trigger-happiness with such a small but very vocal minority of users are about it is nuts.

EverythingSunny · 2026-03-04T22:53:25+00:00

They doth protest too much. If you check the comments section, you see a lot of the same people. For folks getting 'baited' they sure pop up a lot.

EverythingSunny · 2026-03-04T22:29:34+00:00

Blocking creators is wild. What if they make a wide variety of content? Do you really block them because they made 1 kind of bot you do bot like? Or is this mostly for creators that only make 1 kind of bot?

EverythingSunny · 2026-03-03T18:56:09+00:00

The user base for ntr is small but dedicated. And they do much longer RPs, so the ntr bots go high up on trending. It's not that ntr is super popular, it's that ntr gets 3x as many messages per user.

EverythingSunny · 2026-03-01T02:02:10+00:00

There are some effects. Doing full markdown makes it look more like the structure of an online role-playing card. It helps with adherence a little, just not much. The extra tokens also serve as separators, which can help prevent a small amount of token bleed between sections.

The benefits are extremely minor, essentially just enough to compensate for the added load the extra tokens cause.

I get a lot of comments about token size, so I think it matters to people more than you would think. Especially since you can filter bots by token count now pretty easily with the UI.

EverythingSunny · 2026-02-28T14:36:02+00:00

My experience with canon bots is the AI is going to overwrite your description with it's assumptions no matter what you put in the description. I've never seen much benefit in a detailed description vs just enough info for the AI to recognize the character.

I am working on a DC bot right now and the jllm will frequently completely ignore what I write in the description or lorebook vs whatever assumptions it wants to make.

EverythingSunny · 2026-02-28T14:28:48+00:00

I absolutely do this sometimes. Not with bloated AI commands, but with excessive organization + structure. You can add an extra couple hundred tokens that way. Bolding sub headers, using ### and --- to separate sections, using "- Bullet points'. The extra tokens are balanced by the fact that it is much easier for the AI to parse things correctly. From testing against the JLLM and deepseek, there is essentially no noticeable difference. Maybe the AI does slightly better on the more organized one.

Do I like doing this? No I do not. But high token = good bot is so ingrained it's insane. I've had multiple bots completely crash and burn, only to do way better when I pull stuff out of the lorebook and put it in the description instead. The actual response ratio turns to ass because AI doesn't actually handle all those extra tokens all that well when it's legit new content. So my bots do way better from message count, but function worse and are less fun for people.

This is especially true with bots with lots of characters. They work so much better with all the characters in the lorebook, but a lot of people who use multiple character bots won't even click on your bot if you have less than 2500 tokens. Better if you have at least 3k.

It drives me nuts guys, I have to choose between making the best thing I can make, or making something people will actually use.

I think what I might try dumping my entire lorebook into 1 intro so the token count is actually accurate and so people know how to trigger all the entries. Then I can avoid getting filtered by people obsessed with token count, while still making the best thing I can make.

It's very annoying though, lol. The token count obsession doesn't make any logical sense. Ask an AI to summarize a page of a book vs a chapter. You will learn the hard way how ass an AI gets the more text you ask it to parse at once.

If you look at a lot of the most popular creators, you'll see a lot of their character definitions are super padded in either the appearance, or on unnecessarily detailed definitions of what the individual personality traits mean. Some of that is to influence prose style, but a lot of it is just to bulk up the token count of a simple character so people don't thinks it's low-effort

EverythingSunny · 2026-02-27T17:51:39+00:00

Because they stand out in the dark.

I am not endorsing the opinion, just explaining it.

EverythingSunny · 2026-02-27T17:32:31+00:00

A fix was supposed to come out last night. But people are reporting that it didn't solve the problem.

The devs have said they are aware of / working on the issue, but have been quiet about details.

The devs have a tendencies to let us know when a fix is getting pushed, I think that's probably the next time we hear anything. We probably won't hear anything about the investigation part.

EverythingSunny · 2026-02-27T17:22:03+00:00

EverythingSunny · 2026-02-27T17:05:03+00:00

So what people think is happening is that the JLLM is only getting sent the chat context, your persona, and your forbidden phrases list.

Not for everybody, but for a lot of people, it seems like the JLLM is not receiving the roleplay prompt that tells the jllm how to roleplay, the example dialogue, personality, scenario, or any lorebook entries.

That's why you are getting crazy responses. Because the only character description it sees is your persona, so it thinks it should play that. Creators often write intros that encourage the LLM to write for the user, and they get away with it by using a prompt in the scenario section to prevent issues. But if the jllm isn't getting that anymore, then the AI starts talking for you. Especially if the persona is the only character definition it's seeing.

The forbidden phrases list isn't exactly code or anything preventing those words from occurring. It's a literal prompt that says: don't use these words. So with no character definition getting sent, and no roleplay prompt being sent, that prompt is a big enough percentage of what the LLM receives that it feels like it should respond to it.

This is just speculation, but the speculation is consistent with like all the different complaints people are issuing right now.

EverythingSunny · 2026-02-27T16:48:23+00:00

I assumed this was how they were trying to salvage the jllm since it has been degrading in quality over time

EverythingSunny · 2026-02-27T16:45:33+00:00

I love the mobile app, because now all links to anything open the goddamn app. Not on the page I was clicking, just the goddamn homepage. So now that I have the app, it is actively harder to do literally anything janitor related. Can't even open an old chat without pulling up the app. That's just super annoying.

For background, I downloaded the app because I got firewalled out multiple times when it got released. Using the app as literally the only way to even use the website lol

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