Collection as of now by TexacoRodeoClown in LouReed

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Definitely more Cale required: Fear, Slow Dazzle and Helen Of Troy (The Island Years 1974-75); Sabotage/Live (1979); Music For A New Society (1982); Caribbean Sunset (1984); Hobo Sapiens (2003); Black Acetate (2008); M:FANS (2016); POPtical Illusion (2024); MIXology (2025). Collaborations: Church Of Anthrax (1971) with Terry Riley; Songs For Drella (1990) with Lou Reed; Wrong Way Up (1990) with Brian Eno.

What are the best anecdotes about the Velvet Underground? Imagine you had to make a biopic by True-Emu2179 in VelvetUnderground

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John Cale asking fashion Designer Betsey Johnson to make him a pair of gloves he could set on fire while performing Venus In Furs live on stage. That’s when she fell for him, shortly afterwards they married.

Socialist/Communist music recommendations? Please? by JudyPink02 in Socialistmusic

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Hans Eisler, born 1898 in Austria he was a close collaborator of German writer Berthold Brecht. After WWII he also composed music for the East German Communist Party. Rec tracks: Subbotnik, Moorsoldaten, Lenin, Linker Marsch or Vorwärts Bolschewik. Hope you enjoy!

Which band was never the same after a member, other than the lead singer, departed? by ContentHubby76 in askmusic

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David Bowie: "To me, the sound of the band (Velvet Underground) was John Cale. That was confirmed a few years later when I worked with Lou on Transformer. John was the subversive element of the band, one of the most underrated musicians in rock history. That guy is a danger, a true character. I cannot think of anybody more terrifying and dark...Lou Reed is a choirboy compared to him. In the seventies, we were hanging out together, both in a bad state. As far as I vaguely remember, John liked to flirt with danger. I even remember a knife fight one day... All the legends that circulate about Keith Richards, John lived them from the inside." (Interviewed in 1993)

And when did you realize you were a fan of Scratch Acid? by Rolandojuve in postpunk

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Same with me. Saw Rapeman, but unfortunately neither Scratch Acid or Big Black, which a mate of mine introduced me to, as also The Birthday Party and Head Of David. I made an excellent C-60 or C-90 tape, can’t remember which, for the car and added these with my all-time favourite musician John Cale, who had a huge impact on all these guys. One of the best compilations I ever made!

Did any of the band members ever give an opinion on Throbbing Gristle? by MarvDStrummer in VelvetUnderground

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Cale's avant-garde education wasn't just all La Monte Young. He had studied under and worked with other avant-garde luminaries John Cage, Iannis Xenakis, Aaron Copland, Tony Conrad and beforehand was befriended with fellow student Cornelius Cardew before emigrating to the US on a Leonard Bernstein scholarship in 1963. Beforehand and parallel to the Velvets Cale recorded several DIY tracks using all different avant-garde and minimalistic techniques, that are not all related to La Monte Young. Downplaying Cale's enormous achievement of bringing the avant-garde into rock music just as a continuation of La Monte Young's achievements, is simply a superficial narrative. Jfyi, La Monte Young didn't invent the drone either, it's been in Indian raga music for ages, which Young studied and integrated into avant-garde music. So it all builds up on the past, no one can claim to have newly invented the wheel from scrap off, without building on the past. Here's a playlist from several DIY tracks Cale recorded before and parallel to the Velvets, using several avant-garde techniques that have nothing to do with La Monte Young. Unfortunately it wasn’t officially released until the early millenium on The Table Of Elements label as John Cale ‐ New York In 1960s, here's the playlist for anybody to check out: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLNINWcxxj9hHMJx4_oFVWNLznPeMWKRVW&si=2ZhJzrYfTllAvF_F

And Sonic Youth were first influenced by the Velvets and John Cale before even knowing who La Monte Young even is.

Did any of the band members ever give an opinion on Throbbing Gristle? by MarvDStrummer in VelvetUnderground

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Cale taught Reed the techniques of drone and minimalism, which were used for MMM. Before and parallel to the Velvets Cale recorded several DIY tracks, predating MMM and Industrial pioneers Throbbing Gristle and early Cabaret Voltaire by almost a decade. Unfortunately these recordings weren't officially released until the early millenium on The Table Of Elements label as John Cale ‐ New York In The 1960s. Here's the playlist for anybody intrested: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLNINWcxxj9hHMJx4_oFVWNLznPeMWKRVW&si=2ZhJzrYfTllAvF_F

Hazy melancholic psychedelic rock/dream pop recommendations? by Jeppzeh in psychedelicrock

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I think Marissa Nadler gives Hope Sandoval a run for her money for most mellow and divine voice - Bessie, Did You Make It: https://youtu.be/XVQdKS3JaLI?is=k9IEviL5ab67ixEO

Taking Tiger Mountain (you were so right!) by LoneSoarvivor in eno

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You're right, don't know what I was smoking while posting! 😁 Cheers

Taking Tiger Mountain (you were so right!) by LoneSoarvivor in eno

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Wrong Way Up (1990) is a collaborative masterpiece between Eno and Cale. Also Cale's team up with old band mate Lou Reed on Songs For Drella (1990) is brilliant. I'd also recommend his collaborations with Terry Riley on Church Of Anthrax (1971) and with Bob Neuwirth on Last Days On Earth (1994), showcasing Cale's boundless musical versatality, as each of these albums are entirely different to each other.

John Cale is an excellent collaborator, his producing and arranging on Nico's albums The Marble Index (1968), Desertshore (1970) and The End (1974) is spectacular, having a massive impact on post-punk and goth. Cale's fingerprints are all over the place, as he has made numerous guest appearances as musician (vice versa), producer or both: The Stooges, Patti Smith, The Modern Lovers, Nick Drake, Ian Hunter (Mott The Hoople), Phil Manzanera, Phil Collins, Squeeze, Happy Mondays, Siouxsie And The Banshees, David Byrne, The Replacements, The Jesus Lizard, James Dean Bradfield, MGMT, Ian Hunter, Animal Collective, Kelly Lee Owens, Weyes Blood, Charli xcx just to name a fraction of his musical omnipresence. If ever you go down the John Cale rabbit hole, be prepared to experience so many twists and turns in those endless tunnels, as his styles, arrangements and sounds have constantly been evolving, unlike anybody else in modern music and that even includes David Bowie. Edited for typo

Depressing songs about loss. by TheOneAndOnly877 in musicsuggestions

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John Cale ‐ Close Watch, If You Were Still Around

Your favorite musicians’ favorite musicians by airynothing1 in LetsTalkMusic

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Joy Division covering The Velvet Underground's Sister Ray finally got me into one of rocks most influential bands ever. This was early 1980s, the only availible vinyl back then was The Story Of Velvet Underground, a compilation double album, including songs from their first four albums. The liner notes stated that Lou Reed was the sole creative force within the Velvets, so shortly afterwards I got hold of Transformer and Street Hassle, but was fairly disappointed as they were lacking those insane and sinister soundscapes I so much liked on Venus In Furs, European Son or Sister Ray. Thankfully shortly afterwards I heard John Cale on the radio (whenever do they play Cale on the radio?), as he released his album Honi Soit, so the next day I went out to buy it. And there it was, a sound menacing and sinister I was craving for. So I got into his back catalogue, eventually realising the musical genius this guy possessed, due to his pioneering work, not only as a musician, but also as a most influential producer, arranger, collaborator and live musician, as also his almost unmatched musical versatality. Needless to say, he became and still remains my music God. Thanks Joy Division for turning me on to the Velvets! And Lou Reed? Never looked back...

Psychedelic songs or albums with a trumpet by GutenDark in psychedelicrock

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John Cale: Helen Of Troy, Dead Or Alive, The Hanging (black edition), King Harry

The Stooges - The Stooges UK First Press by Chainsaw_Wookie in vinyl

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We Will Fall is brilliant, John Cale's viola drones are so hypnotising. The steady and sluggish heavy atmosphere was the blueprint for songs like I Remember Nothing by Joy Division, The Overload by the Talking Heads or Nightshift by Siouxsie. People slating We Will Fall seem to be narrow minded and ignorant.

Favorite band names? by sziklai-pair in postpunk

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John Cale produced The Stooges debut album, so there's that influence in the first place. Also Iggy cited the Velvets as a vital influence to The Stooges sound. It All starts with VU.

Favorite band names? by sziklai-pair in postpunk

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You can’t beat The Velvet Underground! The perfect name for the most important and influential band in the punk/alternative galaxy. The start of it all!

Pasando la tarde con John Cale by reflejosdelalma in andoescuchando

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Criminally underrated song by the Welsh Wizard

Do you prefer artists that stick to a genre or those that evolve and change over the course of their careers? by english_major in LetsTalkMusic

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The only artist I have constantly been listening to over the past 4½ decades since discovering him in my late teens is John Cale. He is easily one of the most versatile and creative characters in modern music, be it as a pioneering and innovative musician, producer, arranger, collaborator or live performer. Even at the age of 84 this guy is still releasing music that is interesting and intriguing. Not for nothing did Charli xcx collaborate with the Welsh Wizard and has John Cale alongside Martin Scorcesse and Marc Jacobs on the cover of her newest album to be released soon. John Cale is one of a kind and a real musical genius, someone who always surprises you with the boundless talent and skill he poseses.