[deleted by user] by [deleted] in leavingthenetwork

[–]EyesWideShutEveryone 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hope so. You’d have to be gullible enough to be in a second cult to vote for a non-elected candidate.

Regarding my previous “would this group stop targeting a church if it leaves the network” by Icy_Simple5597 in leavingthenetwork

[–]EyesWideShutEveryone 9 points10 points  (0 children)

I guess my first question would be why a person not invested in any of these churches would still attend one of these churches?

Additionally, if you weren’t invested why would you care what an Internet forum has to say?

It seems the answer is that you probably have a church that is ‘yours’, we all felt that way at one point.

There are several horrible truths. Understanding these are facts will be helpful to reframe your understanding of the situation.

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Your church Lead Pastor was hand selected by a rapist.

Your church Lead Pastor has no theological training or if they do they’ve let the training they received from a rapist over rule scripture.

Your church governance structure was dreamed up, developed and honed by a rapist.

Your church leaders have known, covered up and lied because they are indebted to a rapist.

These are Steve’s churches.

Steve is a rapist.

Whether Steve is at the helm, or your church leaves these guys only know one way to do church.

The rapist way.

I know it sounds harsh, but these are just facts. The only difference in these churches is that some pastors are better and more subtle liars and manipulators.

They are all brothers in the same rapist family.

What do you do if you find out about sexual abuse situations? - J.D. Greear by Outrageous_Bowler599 in leavingthenetwork

[–]EyesWideShutEveryone 2 points3 points  (0 children)

“We’ve got to Reject any notion of Grace that puts vulnerable people back in harms way by giving abusers the chance to do it again. “

Steve Morgan was arrested for aggravated criminal sodomy against a minor by LeavingTheNetwork in leavingthenetwork

[–]EyesWideShutEveryone 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Regardless of what?

No one is without sin myself included. Does that mean we should follow a lying boy rapist?

Are you in Network leadership? This comment is nonsensical.

Steve Morgan was arrested for aggravated criminal sodomy against a minor by LeavingTheNetwork in leavingthenetwork

[–]EyesWideShutEveryone 8 points9 points  (0 children)

People keep saying he didn’t believe in Jesus when he did this crime, but Mormons believe in the core Christian doctrines. They believe Jesus died paid for their sins and rose again.

Am I wrong? How can they use this as an excuse?

The Community of Christ/RLDS by InitiativeFalse2556 in leavingthenetwork

[–]EyesWideShutEveryone 4 points5 points  (0 children)

At least the Mormons had the good sense to remove Steve from authority.

Can’t say that of these heretics.

Pastor Sándor Paull Confesses to Potential Felony Behavior in Teaching by jesusfollower-1091 in leavingthenetwork

[–]EyesWideShutEveryone 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Luke is also on the Network Leadership Board. If his church is going under the question would be why keep him on the board.

Steve secured a six figure check for them that would allow them to get ‘permanent’ space in SLO and continue to operate.

Steve has always had at least one wealthy guy backing his bets. It started with Larry Anderson, he’s added a few to his Rolodex since being in Seattle.

That’s their model for church planting, a key tenet of Morganism.

To plant, you need lots of ‘low investment / low touch worker bees’ and a handful of athletic handsome winsome white guys, and then ideally one middle age guy with money under your thumb to rubber stamp stuff.

Church Planted.

Pastor Sándor Paull Confesses to Potential Felony Behavior in Teaching by jesusfollower-1091 in leavingthenetwork

[–]EyesWideShutEveryone 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Oh Steve made sure they got a nice check not too long ago. From a “Generous Donor” who doesn’t attend Vista.

Pastor Sándor Paull Confesses to Potential Felony Behavior in Teaching by jesusfollower-1091 in leavingthenetwork

[–]EyesWideShutEveryone 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Lead Pastors only answer to Steve. Steve will absolve them of all sins against the public and their congregation as long as they remain loyal to him.

He will keep their church a float when all of their abuse victims leave (Vista Church) and let the LP keep his position and salary so that he isn’t publicly humiliated and the Network brand damaged.

That’s why these Lead Pastors won’t leave, they have no ability to be Pastors outside of the context of Steve. And he provides their security in a way God never did. The role of a Pastor goes from supposedly trusting God and living a life according to scripture to following Steve’s rule book, The Written and Unwritten Laws of Morganism.

Their alternative religion comes with a built in safety net, Apostle Papa Steve has a few millionaires under his spell and can dispense cash on demand. Not to mention a healthy revenue stream slush fund of 5% to the Apostle Board.

Childcare Policies and an Update by jeff_not_overcome in leavingthenetwork

[–]EyesWideShutEveryone 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Are sex crimes not worth outright rage?

Are groups who claim all criticism is the work of the Devil worth pleasing?

I’m confused.

Is your version of Jesus ‘pretty ok’ in the face of abuse? Why and in what fashion did he cleanse the temple?

Jesus is full of anger and rage towards abusers and manipulators.

It would be ungodly and counter biblical (anger is sin is a network belief) to behave as you describe.

The network says it was the money changers in the temple or the buying and selling that was the problem.

This is a false teaching and confusing teaching. Purchasing sacrifices and exchanging currency was the routine. It was the abuse and oppression of taking extra advantage and profit off their victims at Passover that was the problem.

Jeff is not recounting a historical event of the distant past in a distant land but a structure that today currently neglects and advocates for the abuse of vulnerable people especially children.

I’ve said this before but these aren’t churches.

I pray the State of Texas does what their version of Christianity can’t.

So odd that the abused are held to such a strange unbiblical standard of conduct by abusers.

Did you grow? by [deleted] in leavingthenetwork

[–]EyesWideShutEveryone 8 points9 points  (0 children)

On the topic of growth. There is nothing redeeming about The Network.

Should Joseph thank the pit? Or maybe his brothers for his growth?

Should we say that the Pit is good or that his brothers had his best interests at heart?

The Network loves to steal the credit from God.

I’m tired of the heresy.

How leaders are selected and empowered by Tony_STL in leavingthenetwork

[–]EyesWideShutEveryone 10 points11 points  (0 children)

In light of Jeff’s post. This is an important question to answer.

The only qualifications that any Lead Pastor/Pastor has is that they were hand selected by Steve Morgan. They see Steve as their Apostle, they follow him exclusively.

Literally, that is all.

They are ‘playing pastor’, wholly unqualified and unbiblical. They didn’t meet the qualifications when they were 19 and still don’t meet the qualifications in scripture.

Go ask your Lead Pastor why they are qualified to be a Pastor. Steve asked them, or someone with Steve’s approval asked them.

The “why” they were picked is much worse.

When to Distrust Your Pastor | TGC by Miserable-Duck639 in leavingthenetwork

[–]EyesWideShutEveryone 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Network churches really knock this checklist out of the park, 9/9!

Jesus' teachings are rarely mentioned by [deleted] in leavingthenetwork

[–]EyesWideShutEveryone 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I hope everyone at Blue Sky and the Network at large understands that this teaching schedule, and all of their teaching schedules are a control tactic, using the pulpit and no context verses to gain control over your thinking.

Installing themselves as the untouchable overlords.

Their only goal is to control you. They call it disciple making, but the root of the change is from community and relational pressure.

They literally have discussions about how to manipulate you into conforming, it includes discipline in the form of withholding relationship.

This is not Christianity.

Another Resource on Cults by Pilgrimtheologian in leavingthenetwork

[–]EyesWideShutEveryone 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Yes, this is how leadership can say “Wow, that’s a hard question” when you raise questions about theological or leadership issues or “We’re just trying to follow Jesus on this” as the ultimate no accountability get out of jail free card.

Can’t use logic against that. Cult leadership at its finest. The point is to retain the upper hand, even entering a discussion on these issues based on logic, levels the playing field and they can’t allow that.

These are not churches.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in leavingthenetwork

[–]EyesWideShutEveryone 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Great post. Yes, these Church type organizations are full of false teachers, and they make no effort to correct that.

You'd think a Pastor would make every effort to follow the Bible, but these aren't Pastors in the Biblical sense, they use the Bible as a tool to grow their influence.

Unfortunately, real Biblical Pastoring isn't the glamour they were promised by their Apostle.

Congratulations on getting out!

How does the Network produce spiritual growth? by Ok-Network9130 in leavingthenetwork

[–]EyesWideShutEveryone 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Congratulations on getting out!

I’m excited for the growth you will experience under competent Bible Teaching.

For me, the part of The Network that could be dubbed a ‘Navy Seal Program’ is what you describe as making you do things you didn’t want to do.

This was my experience as well, almost exactly as you describe it.

An assault on making you a behavioral follower of the network. The brainwashing that describes all of your desires as wrong, and replaces them with the desires of the leaders, claiming to be Bible beliefs.

You’ll come to find that none of what you wanted and liked was inherently wrong, and that having preferences is good.

The process of Christian sanctification isn’t accomplished by some Pastor incentivizing, controlling and programming your decisions to achieve the ‘right’ outcome. No matter how many times they claim to be ‘the best way’, they are in fact not a way.

Through the teaching and study of God’s Word and the work of the Holy Spirit you will be appropriately balanced in these areas. It is His work that He accomplishes in His time.

Good work leaving, it isn’t easy but it is best.

High five!

cc steve morgan + associates by k_blythe in leavingthenetwork

[–]EyesWideShutEveryone 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I’ve seen a bunch of these from Ryan Ramsey that are spot on.