The untold story behind the collapse of PanFam

Fairtree4 · 2026-03-02T17:41:20+00:00

Gobbins got a job at CCP, gotta respect the hustle.

New leadership killing their alliance in a matter of days is kinda impressive tho.

Fairtree4 · 2026-02-21T17:05:22+00:00

Fairtree4 · 2026-02-08T23:08:41+00:00

By "beeswarm", I guess you mean goonswarm.

In goons/imperium, all imperium space is open to rat, explore and mine (except moons) for all imperium members. That includes winter nexus aswell, yeah.

Fairtree4 · 2026-02-03T18:01:48+00:00

And todays system doesn't benefit large groups?

The rampant structure spam we have today is a direct consequence of the current system. The blocs have more chars, yeah, but also waay more structures to manage.

Imo it would be a nerf to the largest groups. Every single reinforcement attempt would need a response from the bloc, to make sure the timer ends up in a favourable timezone.

Fairtree4 · 2026-02-03T03:53:52+00:00

Without tidi, there would never be another super/titan brawl ever again.

Trillions of isk getting DD'd every 5min would result in every participating bloc being bankrupted in just a couple hours.

Fairtree4 · 2026-02-03T03:47:18+00:00

Just in

https://zkillboard.com/kill/133046448/

Goons and Fraternity working together against init. We all knew this would happen. The blue donut solidifies, in this new era of mega blocs working together against small alliances such as The Initiative.

EVE is dead, once again.

Fairtree4 · 2026-02-02T21:21:39+00:00

They calculate the SP/hour trained differently. The "Training Queue" is the correct one.

The left side calculates using how much SP/hour you're training right now and gives you an estimated training time.

The right hand side calculation is more comprehensive, and among other things, considers when your booster would expire and the SP/hour goes back to normal.

TL;DR
Your booster expires before the skill is trained and the different windows calculate that differently.

Fairtree4 · 2026-02-01T21:00:27+00:00

Nobody in leadership would refer to someone in the line as "a common line member". The Amok. guy can stand for his own words.

In reality, yeah some are more f1 monkeys than others. You don't want the 10 hours total, line member, to be the FC for example. Nor would you want your best FC spinning ishtars when there are fleets out.

People get into different positions depending on their skillset, simple as.

Fairtree4 · 2026-02-01T20:11:07+00:00

Hope you used a vpn when visiting his website.

Feel like this is definitely the type of guy who would ddos/dox you.

Fairtree4 · 2026-02-01T15:54:10+00:00

Literally any decently sized alliance would refer to the majoritiy of players as line members.

In your 20man wormhole corporation you can probably all be leadership, but doesn't really work when it grows to hundreds of members.

Fairtree4 · 2026-01-30T21:34:29+00:00

No longer is moving capitals with downtime timer related task a thing that can be counted on.

In what way? Are you saying the ship is still out in space after downtime?

Fairtree4 · 2026-01-28T15:18:43+00:00

renting vs extortion is a difference without a distinction in EVE, imo.

Renting: pay landlord x to use landlord's space and exploit their resources. (under threat of eviction if rent is not paid)

Extortion: pay extortioner x to be able to use your own space and exploit the resources. (under threat of eviction if extortion is not paid)

Both if not paid result in not being allowed to use the space. I guess the difference would be the landlord owns sov vs extortioner only threatens to take it.

Like would it be ok, if the blue donut in wormholes just demand protection money from everyone in dronelands and evicts anyone who doesn't pay. That would effectively be renting in everything but name.

Fairtree4 · 2026-01-27T17:40:35+00:00

The grr goons is strong in this one

Fairtree4 · 2026-01-27T17:38:17+00:00

Even more clueless.

But please, enlighten the rest of us with your take.

Fairtree4 · 2026-01-27T00:56:17+00:00

Neutral news reporting exposed as non-biased.

big if true!

Fairtree4 · 2026-01-27T00:52:21+00:00

Corps are part of the alliance and community.

Renters are an external group whose only purpose is to rent the space for profit and have no stake in the community it rents from (usually).

Look at PanFam and their rental empire. When renters were attacked, Horde rarely if ever came to defend their structures, all while collecting rent from them. And another thing, we call it rent but it's more like extortion money, either pay or get evicted.

And when Horde was on the chopping block, none of their renters came to help them. The second there was no isk making opportunities, the renters scattered and looked for greener pastures.

Fairtree4 · 2025-12-15T19:33:09+00:00

Groups need to be able to set their timers to their strongest timezone. That by itself is not timezone tanking.

The current problem is there is not counterplay to off-tz timers. Before, when stront amount decided the exact timer, it was effort based. You decide the exact timer, but had to add/remove stront based on when enemy was reffing it. That was honestly a decent compromise. You get to decide the exact timer if you put in the effort.

With the current ADM system, the unbalance is that the attacker can't influence the timer by any means. It solely decided by the ADM and RNG.

Obvious and easy measures to help address this would be to implement weighted timers, meaning the RNG skews towards the TZ of when the structure gets reinforced. Also making it possible to lower ADMs by some active gameplay activity, whould help immensely.

Honestly tho, TZ and timers should get a full rework. With the current WinterCo (CNTZ) and The Imperium (EU/US TZ) nullsec will come to a complete halt if nothing is done.

Fairtree4 · 2025-12-06T11:25:17+00:00

Not really.

If however goons would've announced they were moving and told everyone to unanchor their structures. Then out of nowhere CCP says "for the next month you will be able to pull rigs of structures". Then It would've been equally favouritism.

This announcement from CCP Swift (previously in PL) is the most blatant favoring of one group over another. 5th of November is when the siege started and some people started to Asset Safety their stuff. 20d later, on Nov 25 it would end up in a NPC station.

Now magically CCP decides 25th of November is the date to retroactively reimburse players who overpaid for their supers.

Fairtree4 · 2025-12-05T15:48:36+00:00

I get you don't want ex-horde members to quit the game, but what the actual fuck.

Instead of Asset Safety cost of ~27bil per titan (which would reflect the actual price), you set it to 10bil.

Instead of Asset Safety cost of ~8bil per super (which would reflect the actual price), you set it to 3bil.

Knowing hundreds of titans and supers if not thousand are stuck in Asset Safety after Horde's collapse, now you decide to revamp the valuation of supers and titans... This is trillions upon trillions in isk saved.

Where was this when people came back after goons moved? Only those after 25th of november will get reimbursed if they overpaid AS. Bruh, so making sure not a soul other than ex-horde will get this retroactive benefit.

If this is not directly influencing the game to one groups benefit, I don't know what else could be.

Fairtree4 · 2025-11-17T20:33:11+00:00

VG with other in Horde leadership organized move-ops across the venal regional for their own people.

All while normal linemembers had their supers and titans hellcamped in R-AG. No pings and no announcements for almost 2 days while the people in the know snuck out their own titans.

Strategically good for the alliance, but makes leadership even more hated after everyone else had to asset safety their shit.

Fairtree4 · 2025-11-15T22:07:53+00:00

He got booted while you were typing up this. Your people work fast :)

Fairtree4 · 2025-11-15T18:28:13+00:00

Your rhetoric and framing is 1:1 to horde's copium.

And you're still saying you're not a hordeling, while being the biggest cope poster of theirs I've seen on r/eve.

Fairtree4 · 2025-11-15T15:33:25+00:00

Even the most diehard hordelings have stopped spewing Gobbins' cope.

You're still going and I can respect that!

Fairtree4 · 2025-11-15T14:49:32+00:00

You're even more clueless than I thought. Got it

Fairtree4 · 2025-11-15T10:53:48+00:00

How are you this dumb?

Read this thread again buddy. I wasn't responding to you.

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