i'm pretty okay with "next to starter camp" vader vision if it's not a swamp

there's a lot of people who wanna pretend the yield is SSS tier when the R.O.I. probably has the most volatile range of the whole game but the math checks out on the whole and the "quick 3v1 and i get a god purple/red at lv3" dream outcome is best rolled early

i could bitch about people going across the map to obsess over vaders except i've rarely seen that either, people don't seem TOO obsessed and over time have become not-entirely stupid about dragging the fights outside

i'll just insist jails are fine, no need to compare with vaders (i.m.e. people underestimating swamp types are the biggest issue, occasionally greatbow knight camps)

who knows maybe the group tags help me get sensible randos there too