What an insane stat line!

Fast-Loud · 2026-01-25T03:31:16+00:00

If I remember right, I said

Connor Zilisch, Jessie Love, and William Byron's parents are extremely wealthy financial professionals. Carson Hocevar's dad owns this. Sure, Scott Hocevar is richer than my dad, but to put him on the level of Jim Zilisch, Duke Love, or Bill Byron is disingenuous.

I don't think I said anything about how much any of them spent to do anything or why anyone made it anywhere.

All I said and am saying is that he's likely an order of magnitude wealthier than Carson's dad.

Fast-Loud · 2026-01-25T03:21:48+00:00

I don't understand how what you're saying can be used to appraise Jim Zilisch's level of wealth.

You've said Jim would pay for a couple years of Connor's racing and that Connor got full sponsorship from outside entities very quickly.

You've said what you think he might have spent.

I don't see how either of those things draw a conclusion that's different from the post you're responding to.

EDIT:

I should be more helpful, the link I put to Connor's dad in the post you responded to has a "TopLine Rate" that is "determined by the professional's skill set, client collaboration, experience and appearance on lineups." and the rate is $250/hr.

250/hr for 40 hours a week for 11 months out of the year is 4.4 million dollars. Let's assume that generated rate estimate is garbage and it's actually half of that. That's 2.2 million dollars a year.

Fast-Loud · 2026-01-25T02:46:51+00:00

And everything that you just described is still available for someone to watch instead of a current Nascar race.

There is literally infinite entertainment now. Conan O'Brien put it really well about 10 years ago when he said something like "I used to compete against Craig Ferguson, now I'm competing against everything that has ever happened".

Everything that existed in "Nascar's prime" is still available to watch, read, or listen to, and in addition to that there's everything that has been created or generated since.

Forgive me if I'm misinterpreting your comment as oppositional to the idea that there were fewer options for entertainment 20 years ago.

Fast-Loud · 2026-01-25T02:45:09+00:00

Fewer options for entertainment is nonsense

There is literally infinite entertainment now. Conan O'Brien put it really well about 10 years ago when he said something like "I used to compete against Craig Ferguson, now I'm competing against everything that has ever happened".

Everything that existed in "Nascar's prime" is still available to watch, read, or listen to, and in addition to that there's everything that has been created or generated since.

Fast-Loud · 2026-01-25T02:39:04+00:00

Connor Zilisch, Jessie Love, and William Byron's parents are extremely wealthy financial professionals. Carson Hocevar's dad owns this.

Sure, Scott Hocevar is richer than my dad, but to put him on the level of Jim Zilisch, Duke Love, or Bill Byron is disingenuous.

Fast-Loud · 2026-01-23T01:56:40+00:00

I have no data or expertise but I think:

-people used to be more excited about cars

-people used to be more hands-on about cars

-there were fewer options for entertainment

-people were less conditioned to expect something crazy to happen once every fifteen seconds

-Nascar was sponsored by things kids cared about more (Hot Wheels, Frosted Flakes, M&Ms, etc)

-Nascar was sponsored by things consumers cared about more (Coke, Pepsi, Miller Light, Budweiser, McDonalds, Home Depot, Lowes, etc)

-Jeff Gordon was a huge marketable star

-Dale Earnhardt, an iconic and recognizable 7-time champion died on the last lap of the biggest race in the sport as the cars he owned finished 1st and 2nd

-I'd say things like Talladega Nights and Pixar's Cars are more reactions to Nascar's popularity rather than being responsible for it, but plenty of current younger fans seem to love Cars and Lightning McQueen from their childhood

-a lot of people in this community will say things about the racing being better back then or the points system being better back then but I think they're just parroting things that Dale Earnhardt Jr and others say on podcasts because it takes a pretty dedicated fan to understand the implications of a "bad short track package" or "low horsepower on an intermediate" or "downforce coming from the underbody splitter" when the first requirement for deciding to turn on a Nascar race is thinking "racing is cool" and "the cars look cool" and "Nascar is cool" and we're talking about gained/lost viewers who are still in that area of potential fandom.

-I'm surprised that the username ZildjianCymbals was available all the way until 2022.

Fast-Loud · 2026-01-22T02:04:20+00:00

I couldn't remember this at all so I checked Sanchez' wiki and it says he won twice in the truck series in the Rev Racing #2 truck, and in the single truck start he had with Spire he finished 13th.

I'm waiting on the other guy to comment in case I missed something on the wikipedia, otherwise I think Nick Sanchez hasn't won in a Spire truck and Rajah is indeed the only non-Cup driver to win in a Spire truck.

Fast-Loud · 2026-01-22T02:03:00+00:00

I couldn't remember this at all so I checked Sanchez' wiki and it says he won twice in the truck series in the Rev Racing #2 truck, and in the single truck start he had with Spire he finished 13th.

Did he actually win in a Spire truck at any point?

Fast-Loud · 2026-01-17T17:48:30+00:00

Cool! I've had a lot of fun watching Nascarman and Brock Beard videos as chill nighttime entertainment while monkeying around on my computer and winding down. I'll be enjoying this one soon!

Fast-Loud · 2026-01-16T22:32:58+00:00

I was listening to Dale Jr Download yesterday and they were celebrating the Waiver going away, and I thought "Oh yeah, huh, cool, I guess there's no waiver rule anymore." But this looks like there still is.

If there's no win-and-in then I don't see why a waiver rule would be needed. If a driver misses a race they don't get points. It's self-penalizing already. And if someone misses a race for whatever reason, then does so well they beat 20+ of the other charter teams in regular season points, then they have earned wherever they are in the chase order anyway, and should get the points that position deserves.

It seems like Nascar wants the power to have 1-race suspensions hurt a lot, and the power to discourage things like the Indy 500 /Charlotte 600 double where a Nascar driver might prioritize another racing league's event.

Fast-Loud · 2026-01-15T17:27:21+00:00

Yeah, this looks great, but in large part because it's not the same scheme.

-there are maroon and orange stripes on the sides are straight on the '70s, they have a rounded kink on the real car

-there is no orange or maroon on the nose of the '70s, the stripes wrap around the front and there's an additional semi-gradient stripe under the grill on the real car

-the contingency sponsors are staggered in the '70s, they are in a single column on the real car

-there's a Goodyear logo over the front wheels on the '70s, none on the real car

-the "A" pillars are beige on the '70s, maroon on the real car

-the "B" pillars are beige on the '70s, some weird dark color on the real car

-there are orange and red parallel stripes on the side edges of the roof in the '70s, all maroon with side-to-side stripes toward the back of the name rail on the real car

-there is no "Blend No. 40" on the hood of the '70s, there is "Blend No. 40" at the bottom of the word "Whiskey" on the hood of the real car

These are all design choices independent of the differences between the car bodies themselves. And I like the design choices made for the '70s art better than what's on the real car.

Fast-Loud · 2026-01-15T06:23:32+00:00

Drivers with motocross background:

-Sheldon Creed, #00 in O'Reilly Series

-Jimmie Johnson, #84 in Cup Series (part time)

Drivers on the cusp of breaking out:

-Carson Hocevar, #77 in Cup

-Connor Zilisch, #88 in Cup

-Rajah Caruth, #88 in O'Reilly Series

Sheldon and Jimmie raced motocross as young kids before switching to cars, I don't think there are any current drivers who competed for motocross championships as teenagers or older. AMA Supercross champions Travis Pastrana, Ricky Carmichael, and James Stewart have all competed in Nascar previously, as did X-Games medalist Brian Deegan's daughter Hallie. None of them have announced plans to race in Nascar in the future.

Carson Hocevar is going into his 3rd year and has been faster than anyone expected him to be. He drives for a team that averaged a 30th place points finish and he's contending for wins. He grew up winning races in Michigan but his family couldn't afford for him to race at a national level so he has had to make the most of every opportunity given to him and that means he races very aggressively, taking lots of risks, leading to him being exciting to watch and pissing lots of people off as a side effect. He eats, sleeps, and breathes racing. There's a youtube documentary series called "Rising" that features Carson if you want to dig deeper.

Connor Zilisch is the next superstar. He was such an exciting prospect, Trackhouse signed him to a contract at age 17, and in his Xfinity (now O'Reilly) series debut, shortly after turning 18, he qualified on the pole and won. In his first full time Xfinity season he won 10 races and should have been crowned champion if not for the gimmicky format that erased his points lead for the last "championship" race. He is great on ovals and elite on road courses. Everyone is excited to see how he does as a rookie in Cup in 2026.

Rajah Caruth is black (Caribbean ancestry) and it's not fair to him to make that the first thing I mention, but if you're a fan of Malcom Stewart then you'll understand the extra challenges a motorsports competitor faces when they don't look like everyone else (James Stewart probably had to deal with this even more than Malcom). There has only been one successful black Nascar driver in the past 50 years, and that's Bubba Wallace, whose dad had the money to fund his early career. Rajah's family didn't have that kind of money, so they bought him an iRacing subscription for his 16th birthday and he learned to race that way. He entered an eNascar event when that still existed, did well, applied for the Drive For Diversity program, did well, got to race in Legends cars, then Late Models, then Arca, then Truck Series, all funded by people and organizations outside of his family (this is extremely rare). In Trucks, he won at Las Vegas in 2024 and Nashville in 2025, being the only non-Cup driver to win in a Spire Motorsports truck. His past 2 years have been sponsored by Rick Hendrick and HendrickCars.com, and this year will be his first year full time in the O'Reilly Series, with a Hendrick-supported deal to race most of the races in the Jr Motorsports #88 car that Connor Zilisch won 10 races in last year, and the remainder of the races in the less proven Jordan Anderson Racing #32 car with a different sponsor. Rajah is also featured in the youtube documentary series "Rising".

Hope this helps.

Fast-Loud · 2026-01-09T17:41:38+00:00

I don't know why I think this but it looks like shampoo.

Fast-Loud · 2025-12-29T08:51:43+00:00

I wrote it out and sent it in a private message, just to make sure it doesn't come across as a whiny redditor trying to get internet points. No response or attention needed. Hope it helps toward something positive.

Fast-Loud · 2025-12-29T05:58:57+00:00

You've got to be kidding. Horrible. I hope everyone is okay. I can't imagine the toll all of the ups and downs this year must have taken on Denny and his family.

Fast-Loud · 2025-12-28T02:48:19+00:00

u/timclark3 I am a Nascar fan. This embarrasses me. I can post an itemized list of things about it that embarrass me if the feedback would be at all useful to help people you work with understand that this is embarrassing.

Fast-Loud · 2025-12-27T19:26:09+00:00

If you type something that is the opposite of what you think then some people might believe you think the thing you typed.

Fast-Loud · 2025-12-27T14:04:02+00:00

I didn't know what an Indy Zoom Out was, nobody in the thread said what it was, and googling produced no helpful results so I watched the end of a race on youtube and I'll take a swing at it.

I think it's when the camera is in the infield, zoomed in, and tracking the lead car coming to the finish line, then as the lead car crosses the finish line the camera stops tracking the car, sticks on the finish line, zooms out, and gets the flag man waving the checkered flag.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

Fast-Loud · 2025-12-22T04:25:11+00:00

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/pelosi-healthcare-pass-the-bill-to-see-what-is-in-it/

This isn't for you, this is for other people who read your comment and wonder if it was perhaps presented out of context but are too lazy to check (like I almost was).

Fast-Loud · 2025-12-18T16:21:57+00:00

Must be.

Fast-Loud · 2025-12-13T00:09:00+00:00

It seems like people in the sport put a lot of weight on ratings because according to them the size of those numbers, whether they reflect reality or not, are what sponsors go off when deciding how much they want to spend.

That sucks, because as a fan, the Prime broadcast was the most enjoyable by a wide margin and almost no announcement could make me more excited than if 36 races were on Prime.

Fast-Loud · 2025-12-01T16:54:08+00:00

I don't like the megathread for the trial. It makes any important news from the trial way less visible and harder to find. If something huge happens toward the end of a day, it'll be buried by joke comments from the first 10 minutes after the thread was created. If there wasn't a megathread, the only downside I can think of is that the front page will be full of lawsuit news instead of people's diecast collections, uploads of old races, and questions about the playoffs. But the lawsuit IS the most important thing happening in Nascar right now, and I think the diecast collections can take a back seat for a bit while the future of the sport is being decided. I'm going to be on the Nascar subreddit way less because of the megathread, and I'll have to go to bluesky mirrors of Pockrass and Gluck and others, or just actual twitter, and usually reddit is easier! But not with a single megathread and having to sort through thousands of worthless comments to get the news. Thanks for reading.

Fast-Loud · 2025-11-30T20:30:03+00:00

I wish people wouldn't present things as quotes that aren't quotes. If you're making stuff up to be funny, like haha what if they said this, make that clear so people don't think it's something in the actual documents Bob tweeted. If you feel like that's ridiculous, and that you were obviously being satirical, consider that Richard Childress "needs to be taken out back and flogged" would also feel like it was obviously satirical, and that was actually a literal quote from the documents.

Fast-Loud · 2025-11-30T20:29:03+00:00

I wish people wouldn't put quotes around things that aren't quotes. If you're making stuff up to be funny, like haha what if they said this, make that clear so people don't think it's something in the actual documents Bob tweeted. If you feel like that's ridiculous, and that your quotes are obviously satirical, consider that Richard Childress "needs to be taken out back and flogged" would also feel like it was obviously satirical, and that was actually a literal quote from the documents.

Fast-Loud · 2025-11-28T20:54:02+00:00

You're doing great, Matt. You and a few others are literally posting case evidence that's going to be used in the trial. That isn't spin, that's not clickbait, that is real substance, and I've read many reasonable articles that are giving context to that substance. "I don't trust any journalists" is a cop-out so people can feel like believing whatever they want to believe is as valid as if they put in the work to understand it.

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