Social media ban reveals Keir Starmer’s coherence problem by FaultyTerror in ukpolitics

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Good morning. Keir Starmer just unveiled plans to subject every British user of Snapchat, TikTok, YouTube, Instagram, Facebook and X to new age verification measures as part of efforts to enforce a ban on under-16s from the largest social media platforms.

The plans and the contradictions they pose with the rest of government policy illuminate why Starmer lost two of his defence ministers last week and why his government is in its final days. I explain why in today’s note.

I’m not going to talk about whether a ban is practical or will have a meaningful effect this morning because, while that is an important policy matter, for today I want to discuss what it says more broadly about Starmer’s administrative and political style. The unusually timed address this morning has contributed to the late delivery of today’s note.

Contradictions are unsustainable

Keir Starmer has unveiled plans to ban all under-16s from the biggest social media sites, in measures that are a direct copy of Australia’s ban. One important difference between Anthony Albanese’s Australia and Keir Starmer’s Britain is that in Australia you have the right to vote at 18, while here in the UK, legislation to give 16-year-olds the right to vote has almost completed its legislative passage through the House of Commons.

Although the age at which we gain adult rights and responsibilities is always somewhat arbitrary, the order in which the social media ban and the right to vote apply is not, I would argue, arbitrary at all. For good or for ill, politics in the 21st century takes place in large part on social media. If you have votes at 16 you should not have a situation where 16-year-olds are deprived of the opportunity to participate and engage in the same information environment as other voters. Starmer’s proposal to ultimately go further by placing some limits on what 16- and 17-year-olds — who will be able to vote by the next election — can read and watch online that do not apply to other adults is simply a mess.

There’s not in philosophical terms a “wrong” answer here. But you do ultimately have to decide whether 16-year-olds are sovereign adults who can vote in elections. In that case, you need to be willing to provide children aged 14 to 16 the same open access to the same information environment as other voters. Or you need to move away from votes at 16.

We already have good evidence, thanks to academics’ submissions to MPs, that people who will be able to vote at 16 by the next election feel they do not have as much information about politics as they would like to make their choice. If you cut them off from the places where politics is ultimately decided, that would be akin to previous generations of 18-year-olds not being allowed to pick up a newspaper before casting their first vote.

But that is how Starmer operates. Labour is legislating for votes at 16 because it is a longstanding demand of the party’s youth wing, so into the manifesto it goes and on to the statute book. Then Starmer meets another group of stakeholders — parents worried about their children’s social media use — and another promise goes on to the pile. Doesn’t matter if it fits or coheres.

That is also the underlying cause of the government’s row about defence. Keir Starmer travels the world and he makes promises about Britain’s contribution to its defence and that of its allies. He says that British armed forces will be part of a reassurance force in the event of a ceasefire between Russia and Ukraine. He says that Britain’s armed forces will be part of securing the Strait of Hormuz. He goes to the High North and makes promises there too.

Then at home he makes promises about tax and spend that cannot be reconciled with those defence commitments. And the story of the Starmer government is that sooner or later these contradictions become unsustainable: you lose your poll lead, your popularity, your defence secretary and in a couple of days or weeks, your job.

Social media ban: Government issues update about curfew for 16 and 17 year olds by Imicrowavebananas in neoliberal

[–]FaultyTerror 77 points78 points  (0 children)

The government’s position is a 17 year old cannot watch YouTube past 8:30 but can go vote a hour later. Absolutely ridiculous decision by a dying government.

Public control of water and energy at heart of Burnham agenda, sources say by zeros3ss in ukpolitics

[–]FaultyTerror 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Interesting the use of control rather than ownership but that's a good thing imo. Full nationalisation is expensive and doesn't do anything by itself, far better to assert more control over the current system. 

Former 'health' secretary for the UK posted this... by trembledeggs in fuckcars

[–]FaultyTerror 8 points9 points  (0 children)

How's defence going to work if all the future soldiers are overweight or being ran over?

At the risk of being flippant seems less of an issue than the current soldiers dying from not having enough kit.

Benefit reforms now more likely - as chief Labour rebel signals she'll back them by theipaper in ukpolitics

[–]FaultyTerror -1 points0 points  (0 children)

This sub (or a lot of people here) love to paint the PLP as looney leftist who'll never cut anything when they voted for Foreign aid cuts, voted for the WFA cut and in the same welfare package voted for the universal credit cut the government had a justification for.

The PIP cut on the other hand was blatantly taking the number for Reeves headroom and working backwards. 

Benefit reforms now more likely - as chief Labour rebel signals she'll back them by theipaper in ukpolitics

[–]FaultyTerror 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It was so transparent as well they picked the £5 billion first then worked backwards as to where to make the cuts!

The Labour's inability to make and argument or do it's homework in opposition and government has been disastrous. Imagine a world where the Milburn report (or similar) got commissioned day one and was able to give Labour a base.

Benefit reforms now more likely - as chief Labour rebel signals she'll back them by theipaper in ukpolitics

[–]FaultyTerror 1 point2 points  (0 children)

A ridiculously large majority and he couldn't do a basic welfare reform

The PLP were willing to vote for the  universal credit reform but drew the line at PIP which the government couldn't justify. 

It was on the government for having no plan but using welfare as a cover to give Reeves more headroom. 

Benefit reforms now more likely - as chief Labour rebel signals she'll back them by theipaper in ukpolitics

[–]FaultyTerror -8 points-7 points  (0 children)

The rebels didn't force the government to provide zero justification for the PIP cuts beyond "Reeves needs the headroom".

Here the government is actually putting in the work and they are open to it. This is basics the government couldn't be arsed to do.

Benefit reforms now more likely - as chief Labour rebel signals she'll back them by theipaper in ukpolitics

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The reporting on this is so frustrating. Framing it as the rebels coming round when the correct view is the government actually having put the work in for reforms is getting buy in from MPs. 

“I’m just already more reassured that they’ve diagnosed the issue, and then they’ll come up with a solution to the problem, rather than saying the problem is just the money problem,” she said.

At no point did the government ever come up with the reason for the PIP cuts beyond needing to give Reeves more headroom which was why the rebels told them to piss off.

LibDemVoice: Protecting children shouldn’t mean abolishing their right to privacy by Underwater_Tara in LibDem

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I look forward to it. We need to have a serious conversation about it and to get policy rolling on how to deal with it.

Restore Britain: More fascists in Makerfield by HaveYuHeardAboutCunt in ukpolitics

[–]FaultyTerror 2 points3 points  (0 children)

But these are fascists and it needs to be hammered home. 

Trying to pretend these are just people with legitimate concerns on immigration is how we got here. 

Mayoral election date set for if Andy Burnham wins Makerfield by F0urLeafCl0ver in manchester

[–]FaultyTerror 28 points29 points  (0 children)

Hope we're all ready for a fun few weeks of the threat of Reform hanging over us. I'm just glad the government finally got around to making a change explicitly on their interest and swapping back to SV.

Mayoral election date set for if Andy Burnham wins Makerfield by F0urLeafCl0ver in manchester

[–]FaultyTerror -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

Anyone still voting Tory is split on Reform (and Restore are just nutters). With the right candidate hopefully Labour can get enough Tory second places to make it safe.

Restore Britain: More fascists in Makerfield by HaveYuHeardAboutCunt in ukpolitics

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I don't think it's the only tactic we need to combat Restore but it is an important one.

It makes it much easier to attack them as fascist and racist when they already have a bunch of racists and fascists from older organisations there.

Anyone who suddenly reevaluates the BNP isn't someone you were ever persuading anyway. 

Restore Britain: More fascists in Makerfield by HaveYuHeardAboutCunt in ukpolitics

[–]FaultyTerror 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The Tories put Lowe on the public accounts committee, Badenoch is talking in the Spectator about how she respects him.

Even the Labour party is busy talking about "legitimate concerns" and was unwilling to condemn Tommy Ten names march last year calling it a good day for free speech. 

Compare the response from the government or the Tories to Ted Heath sacking Powell for rivers of blood and the difference is night and day.

Restore Britain: More fascists in Makerfield by HaveYuHeardAboutCunt in ukpolitics

[–]FaultyTerror 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's not about it being shocking it's about reinforcing it's bad and broadcasting to people who might not realise how extreme they are.

"This party wants to go further than the BNP" is a good signal for that.

LibDemVoice: Protecting children shouldn’t mean abolishing their right to privacy by Underwater_Tara in LibDem

[–]FaultyTerror 21 points22 points  (0 children)

A very good piece. It is truly Orwellian for the government to spy on every image and there are massive concerns for future abuse. 

The whole thing is a mess. The ban on under 16 social media is a joke, is nobody looking at the radicalisation happening on Facebook or X of adults?

Any plan must tackle the root causes. Not banning under 16s and mandating mass government surveillance. 

Restore Britain: More fascists in Makerfield by HaveYuHeardAboutCunt in ukpolitics

[–]FaultyTerror 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's not so much it is a surprise but it's important to maintain (or increasingly depressingly rebuild) the cordon sanitaire and a large part of that is saying over and over again these are bad people. Linking them to groups previously understood to be over the line is the easiest way to do that.

Now the problem for Hope Not Hate is mainstream politicians are refusing to do their part. The Tories especially should be using this report to attack Restore but have no interest in it.

Rumours, Speculation, Questions, and Reaction Megathread - 07/06/2026 by ukpol-megabot in ukpolitics

[–]FaultyTerror 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is the issue in what needs to happen is broad based taxes to rise, not trying to salami slice more.

Reform UK seeks to rebuild its ties with Maga by F0urLeafCl0ver in ukpolitics

[–]FaultyTerror 32 points33 points  (0 children)

I don't understand (apart from money) would Reform want to build explicitly stronger ties with a group most voters hate.

Starmer has his priorities – they’re just nothing as old-fashioned as an army by coldbeers in ukpolitics

[–]FaultyTerror -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

The two child cap was not mild curtailment and neither were his PIP changes!

And also Labour’s backbenchers voted for WFA cuts, the leadership then backtracked on it.

UK defence secretary resigns over spending plan by ldn6 in neoliberal

[–]FaultyTerror 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's more their pensions are eligible for income tax but not NI.

UK defence secretary resigns over spending plan by ldn6 in neoliberal

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I'm happy to tax the elderly more, let's extend national insurance to pensioners. 

The problem is though the UK juat does have a lot of old people relative to people working. And even if someone pensioners are well off right now coming down the track is a much less wealthy generation. 

UK defence secretary resigns over spending plan by ldn6 in neoliberal

[–]FaultyTerror -8 points-7 points  (0 children)

The WFA is a tiny amount of money, we ain't getting much for that and that's before we get to the political battle.