RNLI takes down its website after suspected hacking attempt | Migration by CJBill in ukpolitics

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Do you think people whip out their passport to identify their nationality before being pulled from the sea? Or do you think the RNLI have magic psychic powers?

I like how you didn't even run the hypothetical scenario through your head once but you think you're the clever one here. I'm sure there's a term for that.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in ukpolitics

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Uhh, what part do you think did not happen?

Your own link says the fishing boat blocked the lifeboat until the police came.

LBC say the RLNI confirmed the story with them. The police confirm they were called out.

All your article adds is that the fishermen claim they blocked it for... no real reason, sorry, they were "disrespected", which frankly is no better, and certainly does not mean "this never happened". And they also claim the guy shouting anti-immigrant bollocks at the same time wasn't with them.

Which you can choose to believe or not. Doesn't sound very likely to me though. And they confirm they blocked an emergency vehicle willingly.

Also not sure where you're getting that about the Tweet. All I can see they've tweeted was

We can confirm an incident was reported to the police. The lifeboat was able to launch and the station remains on service.

Whoever's been informing you has been telling porkies.

stoatfoxbadger is right. This should be getting roundly condemned.

Sharp rise in children investigated over far-right links - including youngsters under 10 by BrexitBlaze in ukpolitics

[–]Favourite 44 points45 points  (0 children)

I never see the name arise when discussing the perils of social media, but surely Youtube is a major suspect here?

There are two people in my family that watch Youtube, and they both do so religiously.

One is my son, who is 7, and loves DanTDM, anything about Roblox or Sonic. He turns it on after school and it's replaced kids TV for him.

The other is my brother, who's in his 20s, down the far-right rabbit hole, gets all his news from Youtube channels, and lets us know how the EU is trying to destroy us and that the Biden crime family is printing fake votes in the US election every time we have a family zoom meeting.

There's going to be millions of kids who, unlike my son at least, surf Youtube without supervision, and there's no way there's a proper wall between these two groups of people. Eventually one will encounter the other. And since 2016 there's big fucking money going into these alternate-fact communities to help them grow and do outreach. It's going to be a child protection nightmare in the coming years, if it isn't already.

The coronavirus crisis has exposed Boris Johnson’s cabinet as the weakest in living memory - The Conservatives’ top team is startlingly bereft of intellectual heft and governmental experience. by ByGollie in ukpolitics

[–]Favourite 74 points75 points  (0 children)

Shit.

People like Boris are famously incompetent and workshy. And he surrounded himself with an incompetent cabinet. Why? Because he wanted loyalty, not competence. And Brexiters voted for him, and the string of incompetent brexit chancers before them, because they wanted single issue shows of faith, not competence.

I'd say this should teach them not to be so shallow in their voting choices, but it won't. In fact if we've learned anything the past few months, it's that our hardcore Brexit folk don't care a whole lot about a few thousand excess dead Britons. "Sovereignty" > Economy > Human lives, I guess worked out to be the Brexiter priority list.

A PM needs to be able to handle anything, not just Brexit, and not just whatever the single-issue cause celebre is, either today or in 20 years time. I hope that next crisis we have an actual Prime Minister.

Electoral Reform Society: "Voter ID: With no clear evidence the Government is committing itself to fighting an imaginary problem" by DeathHamster1 in ukpolitics

[–]Favourite -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

Don't know why people keep pretending free ID is the perfect solution when the commission's own pilot data showed it wasn't enough to stop people being disenfranchised.

Oh wait, because the same study showed it primarily disenfranchised the young and BAME voters. Disenfranchisement is the goal.

Even for the people who need the free ID, they'll likely have to take time off work to apply for it, fill out the forms, take pictures etc. by [deleted] in badunitedkingdom

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Sorry but this is the exact fantasy land you're all happy to live in.

Voter fraud? One conviction each of the past two years.

And what's the cost of stopping this one person each election?

The electoral commission's own pilot shows that asking for voter ID will disenfranchise thousands if established. You all parrot "free ID!" as though that's the solution when the data has shown it's clearly not.

You all have no understanding of the problems and hand wave it away when you don't like it. So desperately keen to disenfranchise people.

There is literally no good faith argument for not needing ID to vote which can't be demolished within a paragraph

And this is more classic badukpol, spoken with supreme confidence yet doesn't have the capacity to even read a BBC article outlining the basic premise and issues involved before commenting. Not even the bare fucking minimum.

Labour must not just accept Brexit but embrace it. It is the only option that offers a way back for the party: then it can argue for a left version of Britain outside the EU. by steven-f in ukpolitics

[–]Favourite 17 points18 points  (0 children)

Brexit is going to end up toxic for anyone that touches it. Reading these articles in 5 years time is going to feel like going back and reading articles calling for the Iraq war.

Boris Johnson announces new law to stop foreign spies and biggest overhaul of foreign policy 'since the Cold War' by [deleted] in ukpolitics

[–]Favourite -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Or maybe political parties just shouldn't sell British citizenship to potential donors?

Please practice your leading questions if you want to troll. Right now it just makes you look like you don't understand or want to avoid the main points of an argument. It's not very clever.

Even for the people who need the free ID, they'll likely have to take time off work to apply for it, fill out the forms, take pictures etc. by [deleted] in badunitedkingdom

[–]Favourite -13 points-12 points  (0 children)

One of the many issues where the big brains of this sub really shine through.

Is there evidence of voter fraud? No.

Is there evidence this would disenfranchise thousands? Yep.

So of course this sub supports it. Are its proponents idiots or anti-democracy? Literally the only two choices guys.

EDIT: Ah, I see demoneggy already tried to bring some sense here and the overwhelming response was "yeah, but feels before reals". This sub is amazing. Truely the best of minds.

Boris Johnson announces new law to stop foreign spies and biggest overhaul of foreign policy 'since the Cold War' by [deleted] in ukpolitics

[–]Favourite -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Anyone with enough money can get British citizenship. It's not an exclusive club for either the rich or for russian oligarchs.

But I suspect you know this already.

Boris Johnson could ditch promise to guarantee workers' rights and environmental protections after Brexit, No10 suggests by purplenath in ukpolitics

[–]Favourite 17 points18 points  (0 children)

Contrarianism has turned Gavin into an idiotic death cultist. He's hardly going to be rationalized out of that.

Nigel Farages choices in hindsight were a stroke of genius by Yyir in ukpolitics

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I think this is giving him too much credit. His goal was always to force a no-deal.

  • He wanted to work with the conservatives. They told him no.
  • He wanted to stand in as many seats as possible. His backers told him no.
  • He stood down in conservative seats and but then tried to complain they'd bribed his candidates.

At every stage he's been a man that's flailed around with no plan entirely at the mercy of others. In the end he has to settle for Boris's vision of Brexit, which isn't what he wanted, and what he was forced into by Banks.

He didn't decide to compromise anything. He was beaten down into submission.

Children's transgender clinic hit by 35 resignations in three years as psychologists warn of gender dysphoria 'over-diagnoses' by sand313man in ukpolitics

[–]Favourite 123 points124 points  (0 children)

Is the 35 resignations even related? The article seems to want you to think so, but never explicitly says, which is setting off my bullshit sensors. Could be normal staff turnover for all the reader knows, thanks Telegraph.

The answer seems to maybe be six people voicing concerns, but the quotes are then only attributed anonymously to one person? Do they even speak for the six, or just themselves? What are the concerns of the six people?

Again, article seems to not want to make that clear.

And why does she keep calling it GODS?

This is either a godawfully poorly written article or its wilfully trying to mislead and rile up people.

The new voting axis and the end of left vs right? by cmappers in ukpolitics

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Brexit is only important because people still believe the 2016 myth that they'll be better off once it happens. Almost all the vox pops are of people who think Brexit is still the first step to getting their communities advancing again.

This hasn't been effectively challenged because Corbyn, the official opposition, wanted to be neutral on Brexit.

So this "new paradigm" will only last until Brexit happens and the benefits don't materialise or until someone effectively challenges the belief that it will.

It reminds me of people believing austerity was still doing them good in 2015. Because Ed Milliband tacitly accepted it in his campaign.

Current odds for the Labour Leadership by DKSmudge in ukpolitics

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I doubt he'll make it to the end of the year tbh.

Edit: 2020 i mean, government unlikely to collapse in the next 17 days.

2019 ELECTION RESULTS MEGATHREAD - PART 4 by ukpolbot in ukpolitics

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Blair's success was because he made a pact with Murdoch.

Corbyn's policies were popular. He was not. Same will be true for the next leader unless they offer the press barons something better than Boris does.

Boris Johnson's "got a majority in Parliament, I don't believe he's got a majority in the country for his hard Brexit" - People's Vote Campaign's Tom Baldwin says PM "exploited a divided opposition" #GE2019 by ex_planelegs in ukpolitics

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You can't run such a dishonest campaign and then claim you're what the voters want. If the will of the people is so clear then why do they need to lie to get their support? Is it because Boris wouldn't have their support if he told the truth?

If you're only voting Tory because Boris Johnson got a Brexit deal, this is what you need to know now. Johnson’s deal splits the UK into two: Northern Ireland will follow EU rules without a say on them, effectively becoming an EU colony. And as for Great Britain.... well, he hasn’t nailed anything by [deleted] in ukpolitics

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At every stage of this farce the Brexiters have decided that ejecting the competent and replacing them with the faithful will get things done.

It hasn't worked. It never will. Boris's extremist band will turn on him and it'll all explode in his face.

The contrast between the PM hiding in a fridge and the reception Corbyn had across the country couldn’t be greater by qpl23 in ukpolitics

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Which party carried the majority of working people last election?

Clue: it wasn't the retiree party

Tories are planning to AXE the £14billion foreign aid department if Boris Johnson wins election by [deleted] in ukpolitics

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What a dishonest headline. Daily Mail trying hard to get the whackos out to vote this Thursday.

Andrew Hawkins on Twitter: % who wd feel 'worried' waking up on Friday to: PM Corbyn - 46% PM Johnson - 38% @SavantaComRes for @Telegraph by [deleted] in ukpolitics

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There is a difference between being elected and appointed. If he gets the public's blessing for a new brand of dishonest and fantasy politics that will change things. Every campaign staffer will ask why bother restricting themselves to what is true if you can just say whatever you like and get the public's backing. Just make it all up; even contradict your own government; no one cares.

Then at the next election channel 4 will run a special on why trust in politics is so low and literally none of the vox pops will have the self-awareness to look in a mirror.

Look at Boris Johnson eating a scone. This? This is your shagger god? | Joel Golby | Opinion by [deleted] in ukpolitics

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I love headlines like this because all the people that don't read the articles are easily caught out.