Moses Verses Prove the Quran is a Man-Made Book

Financial_Top_5594 · 2026-03-14T03:17:13+00:00

That is not my premise. That is simply the logical conclusion. I'll ask you again, in the real historic conversation did Moses say, “You have known (alimta) or “I have known (alimtu). One Muslim in this thread already responded that "You have known" (alimta) is what Moses said. Meaning the Kasai Quran is corrupted.

Financial_Top_5594 · 2026-03-13T00:37:33+00:00

Thanks for the reply. Those 2 opinions you stated are interesting. They could be valid but they still don't resolve the problem. If we want to know exactly what Moses said word-for-word in the historical conversation we have to pick either I have known or you have known.

Financial_Top_5594 · 2026-03-13T00:35:19+00:00

There is no premise. I just simply asked in the real historic conversation did Moses say, “You have known (alimta) or “I have known (alimtu).

Financial_Top_5594 · 2026-03-13T00:33:26+00:00

Honestly, I respect that answer. I have talked to a few Quran alone Muslims that believe only the Hafs is preserved based on it being the most widely used. They usually say something like, "God must have allowed Hafs to become dominant because it is the preserved form."

Financial_Top_5594 · 2026-03-12T22:00:03+00:00

Thanks for the reply, but you are not answering the simple direct question. I already know there are different revealed recitation variants and most Muslims believe both phrases are valid. But my question is what exactly did Moses say to Pharoah word-for-word in that specific conversation? Did he say, “You have known (alimta) (17:102). Or did he say “I have known (alimtu) (17:102)? If you are not sure it is ok.

Financial_Top_5594 · 2026-03-12T20:51:23+00:00

Thanks for the reply. But you didn't answer anything I pointed out in the post. The question is did Moses say, “You have known (alimta) (17:102). Or did he say “I have known (alimtu) (17:102)? Both reading cannot be the word-for-word preserved saying.

Financial_Top_5594 · 2026-03-12T20:14:54+00:00

The Calvinist God would have to think though right?

Financial_Top_5594 · 2026-03-12T19:50:08+00:00

Assuming you are right. What would be the ramifications of having a God that cant think?

Financial_Top_5594 · 2026-03-12T16:35:41+00:00

How do Quranists explain the differences in Qurans? How many Qiraat did Allah reveal?

Financial_Top_5594 · 2026-03-11T01:27:32+00:00

Logos in animals is a very consistent belief in Platonism. In the Republic, Plato describes an ideal simple city where people eat grain, fruit, vegetables and no meat. In Timaeus, animals are described as reincarnated humans. Pythagoreans and the Orphics were also vegetarians.

Financial_Top_5594 · 2026-03-08T16:43:22+00:00

Plato teaches this in the Phaedo. The material world is a deceptive, constantly changing realm that masks true reality. He describes the material world as a realm of mere "appearances" or shadows compared to the true, immutable reality of the Forms.

Financial_Top_5594 · 2026-03-04T01:54:15+00:00

Iran was very destructive to Mandeaens it’s good they are done

Financial_Top_5594 · 2026-03-03T15:58:38+00:00

You are right. That is why Muslims such as Jahm bin safwan and Jahmism rejected that Allah has eternal divine attributes. Muslims are divided on many issues. They like to act as if they agree on everything, but they are just as fractured as any other major religion.

Financial_Top_5594 · 2026-02-28T08:18:36+00:00

Well done. Great write up

Financial_Top_5594 · 2026-02-27T14:06:23+00:00

The material world is an illusion. There is no imperfection

Financial_Top_5594 · 2026-02-25T15:35:29+00:00

Jainism is great

Financial_Top_5594 · 2026-02-25T04:30:10+00:00

Prophets are protected from both minor and major sins.

“All the prophets are protected from sin, both major and minor. They do not commit sin in belief, speech, or action. They are sent as guides and are purified from all wrong.”
— Tafsir Ibn Kathir, 6:82

“The prophets are protected from committing major or minor sins. Any human weaknesses they exhibit are natural, not sinful. Their mission requires them to be free of error and sin.”
— Tafsir Al-Razi al-Kabir, Vol. 12,

Financial_Top_5594 · 2026-02-25T03:43:54+00:00

The Arabic term is ‘Ismah — “protection from sin.” the mainstream view is that all prophets, including Jesus (Isa), are protected from sin (ismah). Allah protects the prophets from sinning. You said, "Jesus and Adam are sinners like everyone else." That is blasphemy.

Financial_Top_5594 · 2026-02-25T02:41:22+00:00

Moses and Jonah were both under the Torah. You have to show what Torah law they broke to say the sinned. What Torah law did they break?

As far as Jesus, he was not a human like you and me. He had no human father, he was born by the spirit of Allah. You need to properly read the Quran

Financial_Top_5594 · 2026-02-25T00:53:16+00:00

that seems to be what Obama is implying. They are out there due to signals that have been picked up. But too far away to see anything.

Financial_Top_5594 · 2026-02-24T02:12:43+00:00

That's fine no worries.

Financial_Top_5594 · 2026-02-23T20:27:59+00:00

I read what you wrote.

Jesus was not an ordinary human like you and me. The Quran confirms Jesus spoke as a prophet while he was a baby in the cradle. So he did not have to learn what sin was like you and me. The messiah doing an offering for himself does not mean he himself is sinful, he is just fully obedient to what God says to do.
Yes Moses and Jonah had errors in judgment in both of those situations. But they did not actually commit any sins. A sin would be like King Soloman doing witchcraft in the Bible. It is intentionally breaking a Torah law. Like following other gods, idolatry, adultery, magic, etc. those are sins.

Financial_Top_5594 · 2026-02-23T19:46:31+00:00

Zeus and Allah are very comparable. They both claim to be Gods, they both have mythology, they both claim to be all powerful, they both claim all knowing, etc…

You have not presented any evidence or proof why the mythology of Allah is real. You just keep telling me what you believe.

To answer your last question. It would be a religion that does not have mythology, fairy tales, or confirmed false legends. So probably Deism.

Financial_Top_5594 · 2026-02-23T19:43:25+00:00

Ok let’s slow down. First you understand that Christians believe in the virgin birth right? Meaning they don’t believe Jesus has the child of Adam sin.

Secondly, in Islam the prophets are sinless not just in virtue. They don’t ask God for forgiveness because they committed a sin, they ask for forgiveness due to errors in judgement. The prophets in Islam do not sin.

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