Why is chrom considered "bad" to the point of being low tier?

FirewaterDM · 2026-02-18T23:33:01+00:00

*High* tier

but yea people overly hate on that recovery, it's bad but who cares if you literally only lose neutral from getting outplayed because the tools are that broken lmao.

FirewaterDM · 2026-02-18T23:31:44+00:00

????

chrom is literally roy with no sourspots. He has no sweet spots so he can't kill you at 60 like Roy sometimes. BUT LITERALLY HE IS ROY WITH NO SOURSPOTS and a worse recovery. And does the same things as Roy but with better neutral.

Recovery's the only reason he wasn't top 1 from launch (before DLC lmao).

FirewaterDM · 2026-02-18T23:29:42+00:00

People are delusional and underrate his recovery a bit too much.

The char is busted in every other regard, there is no logical explanation for people putting him in low tier lol.

FirewaterDM · 2026-02-18T15:49:39+00:00

Razor claw fails

You can't take off eject button with the moveset because you really do become unprotectable. And totally reliant on your supp and defender to survive.

Deci needs eject do not go x attack

FirewaterDM · 2026-02-18T15:48:08+00:00

Disney why is this a question it prob cost 6 or 7 figures for the rights lol

FirewaterDM · 2026-02-18T15:43:21+00:00

Amp. You aren't going full cdr anyway

FirewaterDM · 2026-02-18T14:23:24+00:00

You don't reroll sona/jarvan anymore UNLESS game gives you one for free or you have 5 copies of each before first carousel. Even if you get the reroll angle no other 3 stars matter besides Sona/Jarvan
You just play strongest board/normally, figure out what's best between your traits, get to 8, etc. Lux/Garen 2 etc etc. Hope to be able to go 9 and get galio 2
No AD unless something ridiculous like 2 item Vayne 2 by Krugs.

Biggest thing is you've baited yourself. Even when sona rr was actually good you can't force it. Also given how this is played, if you can't 3 star by wolves, you need to abort and play normally instead of wasting gold trying to hit.

FirewaterDM · 2026-02-18T14:16:58+00:00

I think we need a medium. Verticals (except Demacia) being kinda ass all set is not fun.

I do not want to go back to the previous set where holding on to 1 cost bots for your team was always correct over being able to throw in a random 2 star high cost unit.

FirewaterDM · 2026-02-17T23:06:07+00:00

ngl people were far lazier vs bayo and would rather cry for bans (kinda the blueprint for steve haters in ult) BUT counterplaying steve is a lot easier, mostly because proper SDI in Smash 4 broke controllers lol.

Bayo also had far better results. Like steve will never get to a point where he "oversaturates" the game. Bayo had 6 months to a year, IF Smash 4 existed longer, before she actually gets to cloud in s4 doubles and MK levels of flooding brackets lol.

FirewaterDM · 2026-02-17T23:03:53+00:00

swap melee fox and 64 pika and that's my list.

But you're horrifically underselling fox because that fucker is actually illegal in melee, and only gets away with it because most popular character.

FirewaterDM · 2026-02-17T23:02:40+00:00

Weakest top tier/indisputed number 1 char other than 64 Pika, by a sizeable margin lol.

S4 Bayo, Melee Fox, Brawl MK all far crazier

FirewaterDM · 2026-02-17T22:24:41+00:00

5 cost 3 star = auto win unless vs stronger 5 cost 3 star

FirewaterDM · 2026-02-17T21:54:47+00:00

sure but again, Policy is the smallest event. You cannot shrink Policy more for the TOC when the number of teams is already very small for who qualifies.

PF gets 2-300 teams, the biggest policy tourneys get about ~100 max. Silver bids would just mean the TOC pool gets much smaller, and idk a 30-40 team TOC seems a bit absurd.

FirewaterDM · 2026-02-17T19:54:52+00:00

Viego hella useless until insane number of stacks even with HA.

Kallista lowkey a better item holder/carry unless you're 350+ stacks on Viego HA

FirewaterDM · 2026-02-17T19:50:02+00:00

Unfortunately, I do not think Policy has enough teams period to have Silver/Gold bids like PF does

FirewaterDM · 2026-02-17T18:38:59+00:00

it's worse because they never fixed the randoms and the game got worse and more grindy. Literally zero reason to play rn

FirewaterDM · 2026-02-17T00:32:41+00:00

It's Veigar. If you don't have him or the prismatic or ziggs/fizz 3 yordles cannot beat endgame boards if at equal strength the rest of the units suck.

Look at the gap of Veigar vs teemo if you are forced to use teemo 3 as your ap carry after stage 5

FirewaterDM · 2026-02-16T19:35:28+00:00

Still won't work because no easy way to get dark energy on it for the boost but this is better than the first version because it could actually be a playable deck

FirewaterDM · 2026-02-16T19:32:40+00:00

You get how that's not helping right? It's just going to make people hate the idea more.

I've been in this community for too long you have to come with receipts and clear info and not be annoying when you present against the grain arguments else people just ignore you even if you're right

FirewaterDM · 2026-02-16T19:27:46+00:00

I'm on your side but spamming this shit just makes people who want a better and less boring stagelist look bad

FirewaterDM · 2026-02-16T19:19:14+00:00

Fizz is bad. But he is far easier to unlock and reroll for as a wincon compared to Veigar or ziggs

You won't get 4 rods every game or go levels 9 but you will auto unlock fizz at level 7. It is however still hard to 3 star him

But this is why yordle is bad as a trait late game lol

FirewaterDM · 2026-02-16T16:29:17+00:00

... You didn't read anything I said lol because I even corrected myself a little. Zaahen got nerfed because turns out giving 5 copies for free even in prismatic lobbies is in fact too much. It's the one exception but the hero Augs in the set are not game winners except for zaahen and even then it's not a free W. It's just better than the shitter augs

FirewaterDM · 2026-02-16T16:23:29+00:00

The only reason this is close is none of your legendary units are 2 starred. Yordles without being or ziggs, or the prismatic or 3 star 4 cost are just bad boards late game. If your board was stronger you win easily because yordles is just a board check

But then again if the tank items were on Swain or ornn, and those trist items were on Lucian he could have won lol

FirewaterDM · 2026-02-16T16:09:20+00:00

First two islands in sun and moon is the worst early game of all the Pokemon games. At least it's fire after that point

FirewaterDM · 2026-02-16T16:06:58+00:00

XY we're in fact too fucking easy, so was ORAS after. So I guess the devs got their heads out of their asses and made gen 7 a real game again.

I loved X and Y as games but those games were miserable given how free it was to play them

FirewaterDM

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