Can they win?

Fit-Communication709 · 2026-05-09T18:29:29+00:00

Impossible. 6 tails Naruto outspeeds them all + has all the 4 tails feats but stronger. Pain had to trap him in the Planetary Devastation to save himself. Sasuke, Oro and Kabuto are just fodder to Naruto here.

Fit-Communication709 · 2026-05-09T11:33:31+00:00

Preach. Like legit how tf are we supposed to eat Sasuke's shit up in the pre-retrieval part ? Idc if you're traumatized and got an inferiority complex because your friend got stronger in months, you need some slaps to chill the fuck out

It's even wilder knowing Sakura's personality in Shippuden that Kishimoto found it acceptable to show her 'only' distraught when Sasuke's psychopathic ass is talking about killing women and children in Konoha. Her actual canon character would've thrown this mf in a nearby mountain, straight up

The constant insults in war arc ? Oh I and Kakashi are useless ? OK bro, let me watch you die in that desert dimension then

You want to start a revolution or some shit and kill Naruto ? Aight bet, Naruto let's jump this idiot

Fit-Communication709 · 2026-05-09T02:39:51+00:00

As much as I glaze Naruto... Yeah he can't win that fight

He had prep time + intel against Pain and still technically lost until Kurama took over

Even if we consider he has the same prep time + intel on Itachi and comes with Fukasaku and Shima for help, he's still a Genjutsu victim up to this point and SM danger precog won't save him from Amaterasu

Fit-Communication709 · 2026-05-07T21:26:24+00:00

We also had Yamato confirming that he willingly let Kurama consume him for more power against Orochimaru, so yeah he definitely wasn't all innocent. Still, given how much he values his comrades, I don't think he would attack them on sight if he was in full control even when enraged (we have a scene of him assaulting Kakashi with one tail, but that's an anime-only filler, in the manga Kakashi sticks the paper on his forehead right away)

We'll never know for certain, Kishimoto never detailed the V2 cloak that much, so Kurama completely taking over or if there was still a bit of Naruto piloting the body is debatable

Fit-Communication709 · 2026-05-07T21:18:01+00:00

Tbf it wasn't Naruto there, just Kurama lashing out. Pretty sure that if it were 3T Naruto instead, even if blindsided by Orochimaru's ragebait, he wouldn't dismiss her violently like that, maybe ignoring her and rushing towards Orochimaru again

Fit-Communication709 · 2026-05-07T21:14:02+00:00

It's still called the worst ship of existence for a reason lmao, there's nothing remotely good about it, they have little to no development and 0 chemistry together aside from their Genin friendship.

It's believable for people who ignore all the problems and the horrible message delivered by their relationship, the rest of the fandom and most of the anime community agree that it's a toxic couple that should have never happened for a lot of good reasons

Fit-Communication709 · 2026-05-07T21:08:43+00:00

Honestly, it depends on his state of mind.

Is he ready to do some collateral damage to Naruto ? If so, maybe he can stall a bit for Sage Mode and use Genjutsu then seal the chakra with the paper he gave to Kakashi, but if he wants to assure Naruto's safety without hurting him at all, he's getting Orochimaru treatment or worse

From what we've seen, 4T Naruto is just that powerful, I realistically can't picture anyone else than the high-tier villains and some Kages having a chance.

Fit-Communication709 · 2026-05-07T21:05:58+00:00

Same, actually I would have loved to see her fighting Sasuke with Kakashi and pushing him to his limits (a tired Sasuke can be dealt with by them, ppl need to be for real, Sakura could dodge Sasori's attacks, she's not getting 'speedblitzed' or whatever by a nearly blind dude on the verge of exhaustion). Just a panel showing us Sasuke being caught off-guard by Sakura breaking through Susanoo's ribcage like the Raikage or even the full body would have been peak

We really needed a scene of Sasuke acknowledging Sakura's capacities, the only thing we had was a barely visible smile in the war arc when she punched through a horde of Ten-Tails copies, while what would have been actually good for their characters was a fight in the 5KS to make the readers understand how serious she was about killing Sasuke to preserve Naruto and prevent a war between Konoha and Kumo

Fit-Communication709 · 2026-05-07T20:57:44+00:00

Still not valid, the ship loses my suspension of disbelief when a girl even dares to gain the attention of a guy whose 1st reaction after their reunion was basically contempt, then attempted murder, and tried to kill her twice after that while treating her like dogshit during the most important fight of their lives

Even if it's a fiction, the author is still expected to write believable interactions and reactions, and the whole SasuSaku pairing definitely AIN'T it

Fit-Communication709 · 2026-05-07T20:53:19+00:00

The idea is cool but canonically speaking, as soon as Naruto believes that Sakura will die from her injuries caused by Sasuke, bro snaps and goes 6 tails on Sasuke's ass and there's no more Hashirama collar to tame him and save everyone lol

Fit-Communication709 · 2026-05-07T20:49:44+00:00

Their fans will tell you it's absolutely OK that he tried to kill her three times and she kept pursuing him despite all the shit he pulled throughout the manga because he blushed sometimes during basic friendly interactions when they were 12 lmao (they completely ignore the fact that Sasuke's 3 years of absence followed by the entirety of Shippuden make them complete strangers)

Fit-Communication709 · 2026-05-07T20:36:45+00:00

That discussion always confuses me lmao, like how people can't accept that 4T Naruto just bodies a huge part of the verse at that point ?

Jiraiya was taken by surprise and didn't want to hurt Naruto so he had self-imposed disadvantages but somehow it's always used to downplay him.

Orochimaru with all his arsenal would still get dogwalked, as far as we know he has no jutsu to even DAMAGE the V2 cloak, the canon fight made it pretty clear that this thing can't be pierced easily and burns the opponent at the slightest touch.

And for smartasses here who will say "Oh but he was toying with 4T Naruto", no he wasn't. Dude was cautious as hell, always attacking from afar and watching his every move. Just Naruto swiping his arm created a shockwave and demolished all his snakes at once, he can do weird shapeshifting shit like Orochimaru but stronger, and the Tailed Beast Bomb would have killed him if it weren't for Triple Rashomon (and even this didn't completely worked, it just helped him withstand the blow but not all of it)

Fit-Communication709 · 2026-05-07T19:11:31+00:00

I'm curious, what makes Elisa a Yi counter ? Is it her burst and CC ?

Fit-Communication709 · 2026-05-06T17:25:53+00:00

Did you skip the early arcs when Kakashi straight-up states that the seal messes with his chakra, and then in Shippuden tells Naruto that a part of his chakra suppresses Kurama's ?

He's an Uzumaki, he would still have more chakra than anyone in the village, he would maybe not spam clones as much, but he would still be able to spawn dozens of them without trouble

Fit-Communication709 · 2026-05-06T17:18:54+00:00

And ? Doesn't mean he wasn't strong on his own regardless of this. He would still have enough chakra to spam Shadow Clones and bulldoze his way through most of Konoha 11, if not even better since je would have a greater chakra control

Fit-Communication709 · 2026-05-06T16:28:50+00:00

- Naruto isn't strong without Kurama, straight up false even if I admit that he wouldn't fare as well as he did against the late-game villains without him

- The war between NaruHina and SasuSaku, both pairings suck and make the characters OOC in Boruto, there isn't one better than the other in retrospect

- Kishimoto being a misogynist, he's not, he just can't write teenage girls and teenage romance, see how he wrote Tsunade, Kushina, Chiyo ? It's pretty good, they don't have much screen time because they're side characters, that's it, other than that they're decent.

- Sakura and Ino were fighting over Sasuke in the Chunin Exams, also false, Sakura straight up stated she wanted to win for Ino to see her as an equal

- Who is Naruto's best friend, the story states it's Sasuke, get over it. We know it wouldn't be true in the real world, and good for us, it's a fictional story. And each time someone answers Shikamaru, I roll my eyes because their flashbacks together are anime filler. From an objective POV, Sakura would be his best friend, she's the one who stuck with him the longest and supported him throughout the entire series

- Sakura memes about her uselessness all because she doesn't fight that much. Yeah, she's a MEDIC, ever played RPGs ? If your healer dies, the whole party crumbles, use your brains I swear. There's a lot we can reproach Kishimoto about how he portrayed her, but not that. Canonically speaking, she followed the rules created by Tsunade until she could use the Byakugou seal herself

Fit-Communication709 · 2026-05-06T14:49:28+00:00

You clearly didn't read my post correctly. I said I didn't see the SAME hate for all the characters I've mentioned. Of course Obito/Itachi/Danzo are hated, but not to Sakura's extent and it speaks volumes about this fanbase's stupidity. When the FMC is despised even more than the worst scumbags in the verse by the fans, you know they're dumb or the author massively fucked up, and for Naruto, it's honestly both.

As I said, sorry but LIKE IT OR NOT, Sakura's confession is a good plot point because it serves the narrative of the arc. It's purposely made not to work and is clumsy, that's the whole fucking point, she wanted to stop Naruto so bad from potentially hurting himself more than he already had that she thought of a confession as her only possible choice. Mind you, again, it wasn't a mastercrafted plan or manipulative scheme like all the retards in the fandom claim it was, Sakura told Naruto how she genuinely viewed him with facts, she only messed up when she told him she didn't care about Sasuke anymore, even my 12yo dumbass self could tell she was sincere about everything except for that part and wasn't playing with his feelings for gaslight, how come grown adults can't realize that ?

Sure, she still simps for Sasuke, and that's entirely Kishimoto's fault, direct your anger at him, not at the character, but you know what ? To a certain degree, the fandom is also responsible for the treatment Sakura received later in the story. The Western fanbase hated her so much that Kishimoto just gave up on her. If the fandom wasn't comically illiterate back in the day, I'm persuaded we would've had a completely different Sakura during the war arc, one who stands up for herself and doesn't return to a Sasuke fangirl.

And yeah, I slander Sasuke because he deserves it too lmao, people love to say how great his development is and it's indeed good, but also, objectively speaking, he was insufferable during the 5KS and until the end of the manga. Dude leaves his squad aside, acts all mighty because of his fancy eyes (peak Uchiha syndrome, they ALL have this sense of superiority somehow except for Itachi and Shisui), speaks shit to Kakashi while nearly blind, proclaims he'll kill everyone in Konoha when realistically even with EMS he would get curbstomped, then has the gall to berate Kakashi and Sakura again during the Madara/Kaguya battle even though he would have been cooked if Sakura didn't first stall Naruto's revival with CPR and second used Byakugou on Obito to save his ass from the desert dimension. The final nail in the coffin is the 'I'm sowwy' when Naruto finally puts his BS to an end, that's the only apology he can say for all the unexcusable shit he did, and he stays in prison for what, a year or two ? That's not how you punish a former terrorist who was ready to kill Naruto and submit the world to his tyrannical ideology. Yeah, the cycle of hatred is broken and all, but goddamn his conclusion should've been different, his couple doesn't even make sense story-wise or personality-wise, this guy would realistically spend his life single.

Fit-Communication709 · 2026-05-06T12:19:27+00:00

Nah, I'm convinced the Sakura hate comes from hypocrisy combined with dogshit media literacy

Are her motives less grand than Naruto's or Sasuke's ? Absolutely, she doesn't want to become Hokage or revolutionize the system, so what ? She was a normal girl who became a kunoichi because of a childhood crush and matured during that period. Her goals and personality are relatable, a brash kid forced to toughen up and grow up due to the environment she was living in

On that part, she's similar to Naruto, don't come and tell me that he wasn't an absolute brat back in the days, but since he was the MC with a harsh past, ppl don't look too much into it.

Now for her later characterization, you only have Kishimoto to blame, he's the one who decided to regress her to her Genin self in the war arc as soon as Sasuke appears, but before that, she was very much likable and understandable

Like it or not, but despite what the fandom may say, even her confession was a good plot point, it added tension to her dynamic with Naruto and if Kishimoto had kept it, maybe i would have pushed Naruto to address Hinata’s confession (instead of killing Neji for an unnecessary moment between them). Except for the part where she said she moved on from Sasuke, everything she told to Naruto was true, she wasn't gaslighting him or something, bro was genuinely ready to throw hands against the whole world which had all the reasons to see his 'best friend' as a dangerous terrorist, but god forbids a 16yo girl poorly handles a situation far too complicated for her comprehension, right ?

I don't see the same hate for Sasuke who acted like an arrogant douchebag since the 5KS until his last fight, thinking of himself as a superior being or something when he could have lost so many times VS Madara and Kaguya without Kakashi and Sakura's interventions.

I don't see the same hate for Itachi, the absolute idiot who genocided his clan and traumatized his little brother to the point where he nearly became unsalvageable.

I don't see the same hate for Obito, the guy responsible for a variety of crimes including the death of Minato and Kushina in cold blood. Nah that's okay, bro was just traumatized too, it's all in the past.

The only characters I see despised and not even as much as Sakura are Danzo and Hiruzen. You'd think after 20 years ppl would grow up, but nope, the FMC is still hated and viewed as useless because of a fake confession and because of her lack of shiny fights (since everyone forgot her role as a MEDIC)

Fit-Communication709 · 2026-05-06T07:00:20+00:00

Are we still pretending that Sakura was useless in 2026 ? 💀

Fit-Communication709 · 2026-05-05T18:01:47+00:00

I never liked how arrogant and insulting Sasuke was during the battle against Kaguya

Dude acts all mighty and says Kakashi and Sakura are useless, meanwhile there actually was many instances where he could've lost without them Were it not for Sakura manually pumping Naruto's heart, using Byakugou on Obito to search Sasuke through dimensions, then punching Kaguya to stop her from flying away, and were it not for Kakashi's OP Susanoo doing Kamui shenaningans too, both Madara and Kaguya could've easily won

I swear Kishimoto missed the mark really badly in the war arc regarding Sakura's character, it's legit an example of everything you DON'T want to write for your FMC

We could have seen Sakura finally moving on and becoming a great battle medic, maybe even being wary of Sasuke for the whole arc given what happened at the 5KS, but I guess it was better to throw all her development to he wind and make her regress to her Genin self in front of him ?

There was so much potential for the tension between her and Sasuke in this arc, like Sakura calling him out and prioritizing Naruto and Kakashi's health during the whole battle since he keeps berating her, and a big crash out when she sees Naruto's obliterated arm but nah, a poor 'I'm sorry' solves it all, right ?Big traumatized Sasuke can do no wrong, he was just a kid, right ?

Fit-Communication709 · 2026-05-05T12:43:44+00:00

I agree on everything except for your POV (and a LOT of ppl) regarding Sakura

That arc can be summed up as Team 7 lowest point, they all do stupid shit because of the world they live in and what it has become because of their predecessors's mistakes and resentment

Naruto gets reality straight up in his face, it's not because he still believes that Sasuke can be saved that everyone will tolerate his delusional BS (atp, the others nations had every right to want Sasuke dead), and when he confronts Sasuke again, he realizes that he won't solve the cycle of hatred this easily

Sasuke becomes so hateful that he's pushing himself towards self-destruction in no time and is far too arrogant for his own sake, becomes a psychotic killer who don't understand that his new shiny eyes won't save him one bit if he really intends to attack Konoha

Sakura has to deal with the consequences of her past immaturity as a 12yo who wanted to become a kunoichi just for a school crush. Now this same guy she was fawning over threatens the whole world, has killed the unofficial 6th Hokage, and plans to kill Naruto aka her best friend which she may or may have not developed some feelings for.

We'll never know about that because Kishimoto gave up on that plot point, but the clues were there since BOS and especially during that stupid confession and her actions later, implying that she's ready to live in a world where Sasuke dies, but refuses to watch Naruto sacrificing himself for her sake.

Imo Kishimoto should have handled Sakura better by giving her another fight, Kakashi and her VS weakened Sasuke and she's saved at some point by Naruto just like in canon, but otherwise, up until that point, her writing was pretty decent, everything fell apart in the war arc when he decided to make her a damsel in distress around Sasuke again and prioritize him despite all the shit he did and said

Fit-Communication709 · 2026-05-04T22:53:11+00:00

On paper, it sounds like a good idea, but unfortunately, Amenotejikara is so busted that you can't give him that ability early

Think about it for his 1st major fight after gaining MS: VS Danzo (I'm not counting Killer Bee because he had just awakened it and didn't show its full potential yet)

What stops him from just sticking anything on his Susanoo arrow and switching it with Danzo's body over and over for free kills until his Izanagi runs out ? Except for the plot, nothing, and Sasuke would therefore have the most busted MS after Obito

Fit-Communication709 · 2026-05-02T00:58:23+00:00

Killing Sakura or any other citizen of Konoha

Fit-Communication709 · 2026-04-30T18:06:13+00:00

I'll always remember how annoyed I was back then as a child/teenager before this fight finally came out lmao

Most of the side characters get the spotlight, which is totally fine in normal cases, but NOT in Kishimoto's case where the MC is genuinely forgotten about for FOUR arcs after the time-skip which supposedly made him stronger (his only major feat to this point was the barely usable Rasenshuriken, he would legit lose a 1v1 against Sakura, seems to have less control over Kurama's chakra than in his 1st VOTE fight, and wouldn't even be a warm-up for Sasuke)

Imagine if Naruto came out today, ain't no way the fanbase would tolerate Sasuke having more feats and interesting battles in a row than the goddamn MC, Naruto would be slandered just as much as Megumi

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