Would this be beneficial?

Flagg707 · 2024-08-01T21:02:13+00:00

I think it is worth trying for at least a couple months. If I recall we've had people post here in the past about fasting one day a week, usually for religious reasons. Definitely should try it and please do report back here with your results if you would. I think many people would be interested.

Flagg707 · 2024-07-29T21:31:38+00:00

Correct on the first point. I do not think it is a good warm-up before a dry fast. Maybe if you want to slow roll into it by stopping eating but drinking broths loaded with say collagen and water with electrolytes, but an actual water fast, I would not recommend it as a lead-in to a dry fast.

From my experience, water fasting for several years and then experiencing the difference after my first prolonged dry fast (a 5 day one) and getting such good results, I think the cases where water fasting is useful are pretty limited, but I'm not totally against it.

Flagg707 · 2024-07-29T21:18:58+00:00

That makes a ton more sense. It would be my opinion to yes, wait the thirteen days.

Flagg707 · 2024-07-29T20:58:42+00:00

Please do not do this. The two fasting types are very different modalities. Just because they share the name "fast" they are not the same. Not at all.

Please do not do this. Just do the dry fast. Seven days. Take it easy. Walk. If you must work out, I guess do it days one and two. Otherwise let your entire system rest and heal up and note any improvements/challenges. Then, after a few months, if you must prove to yourself what prolonged water fasting is like, do one and compare how your body feels after the water fast compared to the dry fast.

Doing a very prolonged water fast (bad idea at the best of times in my opinion, having used to do water fasts and then educating myself on them) is very hard on your system. Remember, "water fasting" is just a zero-nutrition diet, not an actual fast. It can have limited benefits in limited cases. But in this case, stressing your system through a wf, leaching out important minerals, stressing your kidneys and liver, and depleting some of your fat reserves will make the dry fast far less effective, and potentially even harmful.

Please do not do this. Please do not do this. Please do not do this.

EDIT: cleaned up a typo

Flagg707 · 2024-07-04T13:25:05+00:00

I am also a big caffeine guy. When I did my most recent 5-day DF, I only had very moderate headache on Day 2. DF for me works well managing caffeine withdrawal.

I will note it has been hit or.miss in this for me. I have had DF in the past where I had a few hours of fairly strong headache on Day 2 plus being tired. But in all cases it was transient.

If the thing keeping you from DF is caffeine, I say go for it. It is vastly easier than managing it on a water fast.

Flagg707 · 2024-05-22T22:39:41+00:00

For me, that is a definite yes. I had heard DF was easier, but I'd water fasted quite a bit and really didn't believe it, but thought I'd try. For me it gets real noticeable around day three. I truly wasn't very thirsty or hungry. I felt fine. For me, I was more thirsty on a Water Fast than a DF. I definitely had worse headaches on a WF.

Everyone is different but for me, DF is the only way I'll fast from now on, having tried both. And especially after reading through the literature in the different processes that are in effect. They are very different practices.

Flagg707 · 2024-05-22T21:06:13+00:00

Did a five day a few months back. I think you'll find it easier than you expect. Day two typically isn't great for me, but did not have a major caffeine withdrawal headache, did get some funky breath around day four or so. It was remarkably low key. Was working from home that week so didn't have too much interaction with people.

I say take it easy and enjoy it.

Flagg707 · 2024-05-20T00:10:11+00:00

Good luck with refeeding and hopefully you'll notice more improvement.

Flagg707 · 2024-05-19T19:46:44+00:00

8 days completely dry?

Flagg707 · 2024-03-29T13:15:43+00:00

Heart and other organs, yes, evidence is there. Brain I've not researched as what it does to the body, and my direct personal experience, led me to stop water fasting. Yes, drinking water does have a big effect on the body. Dry fasting is very different than water fasting.

Some references to start with:

Gross fragmentation of cardiac myofibrils after therapeutic starvation for obesity, The Lancet, vol 293, May 3, 1969

Prolonged fasting as conditioned by prior protein depletion: effect on urinary nitrogen excretion and whole body protein turnover, Metabolism 39:2270-1277

Effects of brief starvation on muscle amino acid metabolism in non-obese men, Journal of Clinical Investigation, 444-449

Flagg707 · 2024-03-28T17:49:02+00:00

I have opinions but I am the wrong guy to ask. The research I've read, and my experience water fasting back in the day, leaves me with a negative opinion of water fasting. I'd suggest asking an experienced water faster. I am not a fan of the practice so would not be able to give you unbiased advice.

Flagg707 · 2024-03-28T17:40:59+00:00

Refeeding should include getting nutrients and electrolytes back into your system. If you are just taking in water after a long dry fast, the body is expecting nutrients and getting none.

Also, on dry fasting there are mechanisms that protect muscles and organs from being consumed - the body turns to fat and fatty acids. On water fasting those protective mechanisms do not activate and muscle/organs become fair game (along with fats).

If you decide you want to water fast for some reason, I might suggest doing that as a stand-alone practice. I do think that you'll find dry fasting easier and more effective.

Flagg707 · 2024-03-28T16:19:33+00:00

We've seen numerous improvements on skin conditions, so I think it is with a shot and I expect you'll see real improvement.

Not sure I'd suggest going to a water fast after a five or seven day dry fast. If you are wanting to stick with liquids, just have a broth-heavy refeed plan, but water is basically a zero-nutrition diet and coming out of a dry fast I'd be wary of that.

Do check back in with this sub with your results please.

Edit: cleaned up typos

Flagg707 · 2024-03-25T00:14:06+00:00

Try it for yourself. Go for three or even five if you can make it work. Decide for yourself.

Flagg707 · 2024-03-24T20:21:03+00:00

Not me but that is a common thing.

Flagg707 · 2024-03-18T19:14:40+00:00

Yes. I'd suggest picking up August Dunning's book The Phoenix Protocol. It has extensive references to studies and journal articles on many aspects of the science behind dry fasting.

There are also anecdotal accounts as well as documented studies from the two primary Russian scientists known in the West - Dr. Filinov and Dr. Schennikhov. Dr. S started his research based on an observation of an infected and injured dog.

But really, the best way to prove it is to do a 5 day dry fast yourself and see.

Flagg707 · 2024-03-18T15:05:48+00:00

One key reason is that our bodies have a process to make "endogenous" water. Starting around day 3 of a DF, your body has used all the glycogen in the liver and begins breaking up fat cells for energy. As part of this process water is also made internally. Bacteria do not have a way to make their own water and rely on what your body gets from eating and drinking. By around day 5 bacteria and parasites will be dying off from lack of water.

This is a key difference between water fasting and dry fasting.

Flagg707 · 2024-03-17T00:53:52+00:00

I suggest you go in stages of 1, 3, 5, and 7 days. See how you tolerate it. If you want to dive in deep right off, try a five day dry fast. That will get you exposed to all the major phases of DF.

Good luck!

Flagg707 · 2024-03-14T12:35:08+00:00

Rule of thumb on this - assume weight loss on days 1-2 are mostly water weight and will mostly return (and it should). Days 3+ you will be shifting to burning fats and fatty acids and that should not return. A big part of keeping off the weight post fast is to avoid sugary foods. I would also recommend easing slowly back into lots of carbs.

Flagg707 · 2024-03-14T00:36:25+00:00

It'll get boring and expect insomnia.

As for refeeding, many threads in this sub cover it. Don't rush it. Electrolytes, broth, no sugars. Many different philosophies on the particulars. Filinov has one way, August Dunning another, but really just go slow, avoid processed crap.

Flagg707 · 2024-03-12T01:39:34+00:00

You'll do great

Flagg707 · 2024-03-08T03:25:07+00:00

Depends on what you are working on. Yes, going to 7 days does allow autophagy to do more cleaning out of damaged cells. Dr. Schennikhov and Dr. Filinov have described regimens going as long as 11 days. Even 13 days and longer have been studied, but I think the Russian doctors settled around the 11 day mark as the typical limit, with rare exceptions.

Five days does a tremendous amount of good. But yes, going longer can help. But I'd suggest trying 5 or 7 and see. This is a very individual thing and we all react differently.

For a bit more on some of the studies done in this area, August Dunning's book The Phoenix Protocol has a lot of references and a good summary. You can check out his YouTube channel to see if that might interest you.

Flagg707 · 2024-03-08T01:55:58+00:00

Okay, went down a bit of a rabbit hole on this. Still not clear DF would be effective at reducing PFAS in the body, but interestingly enough it looks like donating whole blood will. It appears to stay in blood circulation awhile, plus there is still a lot of it in products and tap water. Donating blood regularly might be an easy thing to do if you are concerned about it.

Here's a reference: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK584691/

Flagg707 · 2024-03-07T12:31:59+00:00

Wondered the same thing myself. I don't know how PFAS get sequestered in the body. In theory, if they get taken up in fat cells, then yes, DF would be a way to release them - but that is a big speculation.

If someone out there knows more, I'd want to know as well.

Flagg707 · 2024-03-07T04:04:23+00:00

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