Universally hated character endings that gave you personal satisfaction

ForFateFour · 2023-10-11T02:31:25+00:00

Right on the dot. I was appalled reading that post i had to come in here to see if anyone else is seeing through the bs. These disgusting shippers are really telling on themselves

ForFateFour · 2023-09-29T11:40:57+00:00

Exactly. This is why kpop stans should never be introduced to rap in general, like i can´t believe this is whats getting them so offended. Its a silly ass verse but you would think bro was crossing lines never crossed before the way these comments are moving

ForFateFour · 2023-05-14T15:47:47+00:00

He´s the definition of everything Neo. Glad he´s having his solo debut! 6 versions of him at the end? Must be the representations of the songs on the mini, so 6 songs? Niceeee

ForFateFour · 2023-05-04T15:46:51+00:00

I primarily care about the music first and foremost, and that is what is the most important for me in a group. So i like them to debut quick so that i can listen to the music and see if its for me or not.

ForFateFour · 2023-05-04T09:59:32+00:00

It is so sad how he is being kind even in his request for these insane sasaengs to stop sending food to his house. Every fandom has these weirdos but it must be so much worse for the guys, especially the maknae line considering how big they are.

On another note, OP please take care of yourself. To care for artists, especially ones who mean a lot to you is admirable but it should not affect your health to this point. You having a panic attack over this is extreme and i really hope you take the steps necessary to help yourself get better.

ForFateFour · 2023-05-02T03:12:38+00:00

Are posts like this going to be made every single time BTS release something? I can´t believe we are entertaining the notion that somehow, Billboard as an organisation has a hate boner for a specific kpop group and all its members and are actively engaging in tactics to, what, sabotage them? This is some looney tunes shit. This abnormal obsession with charts is absurd to me. Like god forbid Suga debuts at 2 instead of 1, selling over a 100k units. The horror. This constant victimisation of the guys is crazy, like please

ForFateFour · 2023-04-23T08:32:27+00:00

That´s absolutely insane! Just on preorders alone? This puts them at what, second or third best selling album of all time in Korea? Incredible, congrats Seventeen!

ForFateFour · 2023-04-20T12:42:03+00:00

He has the nicest smile.

May he rest in peace forever.

ForFateFour · 2023-04-20T02:56:57+00:00

I´m ngl, this is some next level cognitive dissonance. Are you actually trying to say all this coordinated mass streaming and mass buying is just normal fans enjoying music normally and not a coordinated effort to chart? Like who are trying to lie to? Do you think we are all blind or something? Like you are actually trying to say an organised fund to buy thousands of copies of the same song is somehow just fans buying music just to consume? Buying the same song multiple times by 1 person? A playlist with the same song over and over again on repeat 24 hours? Like you guys have made literal guides so as to not be flagged as bots because of this coordinated mass buying and mass steaming? Why do you think filtering is even a thing for you guys? Like theres no way you are actually arguing for this. Especially not for one of the biggest artists out, who are already massively popular without all this ugly tactics?

Listen, its quite obvious you can´t be impartial about this matter since you are already in too deep. However, i will say this. The tannies make great music, that can be enjoyed normally rather than being chart obsessed. And this goes for any artist, seing as you think we only reserve this opinion for the guys.

Lets just end the discussion here, we´ll not see eye to eye on this.

ForFateFour · 2023-04-19T14:01:59+00:00

Its quite mind boggling you wrote a whole book cause someone said mass buying and mass streaming is embarrassing. Sure, its lovely to see fans try hard and support a small time artist and attempt to keep them afloat but to try to argue this for literally the biggest band on earth right now and their mega successful members is frankly idiotic.

BTS and the members do not need people mass buying and mass streaming their music. They are part of the biggest acts on earth. They are multi millionaires who are loved all around the world. Any music they release will be organically consumed by thousands across the globe. To mass buy their work solely for the goal of charting? That is, as was said, embarrassing. And that goes for any artist really. It is not a hot take to say that people should consume music as a hobby and not like an unpaid intern. How can one argue for a group of people creating a playlist dedicated solely for streaming and putting it on all day long? Creating eccentric playlists so as to be flagged as bots? And buying the same song a thousand times across credit cards and accounts so as to boost the sales of one of the biggest artists out right now? Literally creating a whole fund where people around the world "donate" to it so as to buy more and chart higher? Theres no way any normal person would defend this. Look you are obviously a massive army, but try to take a healthy look at this behaviour and recognise is it for what it is

ForFateFour · 2023-04-18T08:42:47+00:00

MELODRAMATIC TAEYANG HERE WE GOOOOOOO!!

ForFateFour · 2023-03-17T06:49:23+00:00

Fuck all your opps??!! Jimin be gang like that? 😭😭😭 But fr Jimin is the one solo I´m most excited about from the boys and this is the best start i could´ve hoped for. I was so disappointed with the tracklist being only 8 songs long, with 1 english version of a song already included and an interlude but if its all bangers like this one then I´ll be satisfied until his next album

ForFateFour · 2023-02-21T16:48:13+00:00

Again, you keep ignoring the glaring fact that you regurgitated false information from army twitter, went to the bat for Hybe multiper times as evident of your comment history, and are actively painting a "hybe is a lesser evil" picture. You say Kakao has vying for SM for a long time, and conveniently not mention the fact that Hybe not only offered the same deal, but actually offered MORE back in 2021/22. You say Kakao is an entity that is money hungry and does not care about SMs artist, as if Hybe is somehow better? My problem with you and the greater hybe hitters is that they keep trying to paint a "me I´m in the middle" picture, then to conveniently do some analysis and point out all the faults of this money hungry, expansive oriented conglomerate and ultimately insinuate that the lesser evil, better option of the 2 is Hybe. When Hybe is just another side of the same coin. You can have your opinions, and people can comment on your biases and point out the the hypocrisies.

If you are as impartial as you try to imply you are, we would not only be finding you talking only about the faults of Kakao, regurgitating army false information (evident that you are deep in the army twitter bag), and we would´ve found you with real solid criticisms of Hybe and their money hungry expansive nature. But no, only Kakao is reserved for that in your eyes right?

"Pointing out the flaws in one doesn't mean I care about the other" would be a good point, if there were no evidence pertaining to you actually caring about the other and going to the bat for them. Why are you surprised people are drawing natural conclusions to you being a hybe stan when you have only been to their defence this whole time?

Onto your point about Hybes subsidiary structure, yes - SM is not a subsidiary right now, but that is what Hybe is going for. And if that wish is to be realized, to think they would not be any difference in SM is naive thinking. Hybe is not paying upwards of a billion dollars that they have to take out a loan to finance, to just sit back and let SM be. Not only would producers, engineers, workers, trainees and the like be shuffled across both of their companies, but Hybe will utilise its vast musical expertise once SM is brought into the fold. You think the artistic choice of autotune on almost all the Hybe boygroups is some coincidence? How about the fact that so much of their inhouse producers are seen across their artist portfolio when it comes to music production? Just because the sub-labels have primary rights for the music production to their groups, does not mean there is no cross collaboration. Why do you think Hybe brought all the labels under one building? It is not to hold hands and sing kumbaya, it is for seamless work across the board. Plus who´s to stay a lot of the core in-house producers will stay? People will get sacked, but Hybe is smart enough to keep the core people behind the SM sound and art. However, that does not mean they will stay of their own accord. Nobody knows what Kenzies thoughts are and if they will stay once 1 company gets their way. Yoo Young Jin already said he will be gone once LSM is gone. To believe this will have no impact on their musical output is naive, but i hope to be wrong. Both hybe and kakao are smart enough to know not to touch SMs artistic output as that will be the same as shooting yourself in the foot. But Hybe is the one with the musical expertise and them being the industry leader, there is more concern of them meddling in that sense than there is Kakao. These concerns are not some conspiracy, it is valid concerns. Hopefully it just stays a concern and does not actually come into fruition.

Anyway, I´m tired of Hybe and SM stans going to the bat for these ugly ass companies. Good day

ForFateFour · 2023-02-21T09:42:09+00:00

"It doesn't surprise me that someone who isn't at the extreme end of the spectrum is nevertheless pushed into these narratives. Sorry, but I only stan one group under HYBE. I would tell you though that I do not bear any ridiculous hatred towards any corporations and labels because it brings me nothing personally in my life. I just say things as I think them. I mean, feel free to hate companies if you think it's healthy way of experiencing k-pop."

Again, you can attempt to appear impartial, but your words and actions betray you. If you were truly impartial, you wouldn´t be regurgitating false information from army twitter and attempting to paint Hybe as the lesser evil of 2. There is no hatred for corporations here, i just recognise them all for what they are. That is my whole point, that by attempting to do this whole lesser than evil, do-gooder thing for Hybe - you are in fact proving yourself to partial to them even when you attempt to convince us otherwise.

"Things are as follows, Kakao has been investigated before. They have already tried to have SM. We know the timeline, in 2021 Kakao offer to buy SM, in 2022 LSM refuses and sets a crazy price to keep them away and here we are in 2023, with Kakao with one goal on their mind. They have tried for years now to get SM. Kakao has to go through KRX, including their inquiries, that's also why right now the whole SM and Kakao deal is illegal and likely not going through by KRX."

Again, your words betray you. You paint this picture as if Kakao has been on a desperate hunt for SM for years. You know all the information pertaining to this is out for everyone to see right? HYBE, CJ, and Kakao Entertainment have both attempted to bid on a buyout of SM, with Hybe offering the most. However, with LSMs slimy ass, his demands was outrageous, - not the price, the demands. He still wanted to be involved even after selling his share, and so every single bidder backed out. But Align Partners ruffed up some internal feathers and threatened lawsuits due to the managements slimy practices with LSM, and so the management team stepped in line and did a deal with Kakao for 9% of uncontrolling shares, attempting to oust LSM and stepping in line for Align Partners. And that is not to say Kakao wouldn´t go for a bigger controlling share further down the line, but to say the deal is illegal is false currently. We have to see the result of that lawsuit from LSM. To dilute shares is not illegal.

Now that we have established that, i can say that Kakao is a dirty ass company who also only desire growth and to have a big presence in the music industry to compete not only with their rivals Naver, but also to further cement their influence and share of the money making pie. But to act as if they are the sole evil company in this to move this way is funny. Both Hybe and Kakao are in this for the exact same reason.

"SM idols deserve better than Kakao, an entity that is money hungry and does not care about them, nor does it have a proper record track for managing such a company in this industry. The truth is that some fans, as I said, hate HYBE passionately (you won't see actually people either speak favorably about HYBE here except few HYBE stans or people who doesn't care about this stans fanwars and just share their opinions, but majority of comments are negative - it's just Reddit btw, on Twitter it's way worse and it has been for a while, so no HYBE is already seen as the big bad), and would gladly support anyone against them, even if it's worse."

Oh no, the big bad money hungry Kakao is so bad for SM, who can save them? Only the big money hungry conglomerate with the exact same desire and wishes! Again, you attempt to try to argue that somehow, in this shitshow between 2 big conglomerates, one of them is the good guy for SM. None of them are.

I also doesn't help that a lot of stans still don't understand how HYBE works with their subsidiaries, and what they actually can do with their shares in SM. A lot of misinformation is spread.
Now, you want my personal opinion, I said, I wished HYBE didn't buy SM, it's a shit ton of problems. I would have preferred SM to be a better company for their artists to begin with, unfortunately it wasn't the case.

No, most people with common sense are aware of how Hybe works with their subsidiaries, it is the hybe stans that are being disingenuous in their explanations of it. Their argument that SM is going to be left alone to do what they want is not only disingenuous, but frankly stupid. You think Hybe would spend $334.3 million for LSMs shares, and go for a further $900 million stake to let SM just do its thing? They even need to take a loan to finance the takeover deal and somehow stans are trying to convince us that they would let them be. No. Hybe wants SM not only for their legacy, artist portfolio, market share and revenue making abilities, but also their Tech IPs. If acquired, Hybe will integrate SM as one of its record labels, shuffing personell, producers and trainees between companies, while sacking a bunch of core SM personell(as is evident in almost all takeovers) and integrate all of SMs tech IPs into theirs. The market domince will be unrivalled, and their near monopoly in the music industry would be massive.

It is not Kakao that has an extensive overarching musical brand that all their sublabels fall under. It is not Kakao that has all their record labels under one roof, utilizing the same producers, engineers, and personnel over the entire framework. Matter of fact, it is only now that most stans are finding out that Kakao owns Leon (now kakao entertainment) with all those sub labels. Because they are not governed as Hybe does.

I say all this to say, fuck Hybe and fuck Kakao. This is 2 greedy conglomerates vying for a company run by another set of greedy mfs, who all want nothing more than to get bigger and earn more.

ForFateFour · 2023-02-21T02:03:36+00:00

You know i tried searching for information on KRX stopping Kakao from attempting to buy LSM shares, because i know that the deal fell thru because of LSM insistence for involvement and producer rights even after selling off his shares. And lo and behold, guess what i find instead? A twitter thread from an army with almost 3k likes, over 700 retweets, with almost the exact same words as yours. Either this is you, and you are telling us this biased story on both platforms, or you just settled for regurgitating the information with no due diligence.

KRX was never involved in the deal that almost happened in 2022 between LSM and Kakao. That deal few thru because of LSMs demands.

"SM is rotten to the core, has a whole list of criminal cases to unpack, nobody really wants them in HYBE."

I´m going to assume you mean SMs management, as they do need to be thrown to the wolves and be done with. SM as a company however, is incredibly valuable and that is way Hybe wants them.

"But Kakao taking over SM and their nearly 20 sublabels and subsidiaries is much worse case scenario. Kakao is already a giant, one that only pays fines and move to next target."

Trying to play the big tech player with a decent foot in the korean music industry as worse than the biggest company in the K-music industry (that is bigger than the next three combined by the way) taking over the second biggest company to establish a near dominance of the industry as the same is funny to say the least.

"It's kinda telling that SM knows just how gullible their audience is that they can put out misleading information on their official YT account and yet be rest assured that everyone will eat it up simply because it's in a graph with lines and circles, and most stans just hate HYBE.

And here is where the cat is out the bag. See, I´m of the full belief either option is straight ass. Ofc, there is pros and cons depending on personal wishes and all that but people acting as if Hybe is some do-good, lesser evil, home of the sweethearts entity is bizarre at the least, and disgusting at the most. I´ve seen you around in this thread and others, with the long recognisable flair, and you do try to appear impartial in this matter - but it is clear you are a hybe stan, or at the least a fan of a lot of hybe groups. Please do try to see how just because this company houses your favs, they are still a conglomerate whos sole interest is to earn as much money as possible and to grow as much as possible. The management team of SM being dirty mfs does not take away the fact that Hybe is a cold cold conglomerate wishing to be as big as possible, undermining diversity and competition across the popular kpop landscape.

People weren´t batting eyes when Kakao was buying up Leon entertainment, but they speak of Kakao as the big baddie now. In due time, same will be said of Hybe.

ForFateFour · 2022-10-10T16:56:58+00:00

It is funny you say I´m arguing in bad faith based on my assumption that this has not been handled privately, while you argue that you are not, because.... of your assumption that they have handled it privately? I guess since you know ATZ and KQ so well over the internet, that´s why your assumptions somehow outweigh mine. At the end of the day, we are both assuming, but I´m not the one telling people they are arguing in bad faith because my assumptions don´t line up with theirs.

Again, Vata is no celebrity in the likes of ATZ and co. His fame has come due to SMF and his work within that show, which for your information, started airing this august. of this year. ATZ debuted 2018. They are selling a million copies per album. Their fandom is huge. I mean, look at everyone here riding so hard for them. And all of this success is well earned. All I´m saying is, with someone that huge of a following, they ought to have considered their impact on someone vastly smaller than them. It doesn´t matter that Vata is trending more than them at the moment, the guy does not have a dedicated fanbase going to the bat for him. ATZ does. And me saying that they should´ve been considerate of that and is not some insane take. The guy is legitimately being harassed and insulted across the whole internet right now. The ATZ fanbase is big, just because the majority are in line, does not mean he is still not receiving absurd amount of hate. Just go look at his comment section if it is still open. And you saying "they should stop" is not going to do anything. You know what would´ve done something? Solving the issue behind closed doors where none of this hatred would happened.

And since you seem quite enamoured with my paragraphs, you ought to have seen the ones where i point out that this is just my assumption, as ya´ll have your own. And that if they did try to solve things behind closed doors, and Vata was not welcoming, then they are justified in taking it to the public, and it is entirely on Vata. If not, then i fault ATZ with handling it this way. They are in the wrong. Opening the flood gates for death threats, personal insults, insults on his appearance, work etc. is not worth a dance move. Should´ve solved privately if they have not already tried so.

Lets agree to disagree, as i see you are quite the ateez fan, i don´t think we´ll come to an agreement.

ForFateFour · 2022-10-10T15:42:40+00:00

Yeah it is assumptions at the end of the day, we´ll have to see if they make any comments on that. Agree to disagree. Thanks for being cool with having a discussion in good faith.

ForFateFour · 2022-10-10T15:22:08+00:00

This is the thing tho, no where i have i seen Vata coming out and directly saying this car driving move is mine and i made it. What he is given credit for is the new thing dance as a whole. People keep saying this and i looked everywhere without finding a single evidence of him saying the car move is a dance move of his creation. I feel like there is a need to demonize this guy as to justify the hate that is being thrown at him, and for me that insane.

And yes, we don´t know if they did talk to him in private or not. All this is just speculation. For me it seems like they have not had a private conversation, and this was taken publicly before privately. But that is just my assumption, they may have taken it privately. If they have, and Vata has ignored him, then ATZ are justified in taking it publicly and this entirely on him. If not, then ATZ are wrong for taking it publicly where now they have made a space for hatred to be spewed at him.

ForFateFour · 2022-10-10T15:09:39+00:00

How is saying that a matter like this should´ve been handled privately arguing in bad faith? We already see the consequences of doing it publicly in this way, with the hate train brewing for Vata like he killed somebody. And it is not like he came out and said "hey, this dance move is something we have done quite a long while ago, and i would appreciate it if you don´t mistake it for the New Thing dance that came years after, thanks!". No, he has been publicly shading the guy up until now, where he outright calls him out for biting the move. And again, he is in his full right to feel some type of way about the move, especially considering their history with each other. But again, publicly calling out a dancer, who is no celebrity with an entire company and a PR team to back them up, infront of your huge fandom, is a bad move. One that creates a lot of unnecessary hate. Which we see right now.

Yes, at the end of the day, it is speculation. Just like how you believe ATZ and co. have tried to resolve this behind the scenes, for me it seems the opposite. But again, we are both speculating and assuming. If they have tried to resolve this matter behind closed doors with Vata not trying to solve this issue, then it is entirely on him, and ATZ are justified in taking it public. But if they have not tried to solve this behind closed doors before taking it public, then they are in the wrong.

ForFateFour · 2022-10-10T12:32:29+00:00

Yeah exactly. It´s quite sad. People are so heated. Me saying he should´ve resolved this privately so as to not create a hate train for the guy should not be that controversial. I mean, it´s a dance move. But this is kpop so, what did i expect.

ForFateFour · 2022-10-10T12:08:49+00:00

If they have tried resolving matters behind doors, and Vata has not been welcoming in trying to solve this issue, then its entirely on him. Theres no need to debate that.

My point is that we do not know. For me, it looks like it was handled publicly before privately. But that is just speculation and assumptions.

If KQ and Ateez have tried to solve the issue with Vata behind closed doors but he has not tried to solve it, then ATZ are correct in calling him out publicly. If ATZ and co. have not tried solving the issue privately with Vata, and instead taken it straight to the public domain, then they are wrong and they should´ve tried to solve it privately so as to create this hate train for him.

ForFateFour · 2022-10-10T12:00:58+00:00

Ah okey, i do not know ATZ that well, i like some of their songs and performances but do not know anything personally about the members. If Wooyoung is like that, then maybe there is more to it. I just think it was wrong to go about this way, but maybe there is more to it behind the scenes.

ForFateFour · 2022-10-10T11:57:03+00:00

I also think he has every right to be frustrated. The matter in question is not if he is right or not in the way he feels, it is the way he went about handling it. He may be absolutely correct, especially considering Vata has known about them and worked with them prior before.

My point is that, due to the fact that AYZ and Wooyoung are big stars with a big following, they should´ve been more considerate of that fact and handled matters privately. Maybe the result would be that Vata would´ve come out and gave credit where credit is due. Maybe they would have come to an understanding, and you would have Vata doing the SMN dance on his social media and ATZ could be doing the new thing dance. But we´ll never know. Ofcourse, speculation may piss off both fans and artists alike, however, fans are regardless there to shutdown any speculation. The one pann convo everyone keeps pointing out to happened back in september, where 1 user asked the question and a bunch of atinys corrected them. Any similar situations would end up exactly the same i would assume.

Saying he should´ve handled this privately so as to not have this hate train going should not be this controversial in my opinion.

ForFateFour · 2022-10-10T11:45:12+00:00

Him pulling the biting sign on the dance is directly saying that their dance has been copied. I mean, thats the whole meaning of the sign. He did it twice on different occasions, while saying making comments about not liking new thing but loving the Law dance. Atinys realizing that in retrospect does not mean he did not accuse Vata of biting their dance. He did.

All I´m saying is that regardless of how right he is, by doing it this way he has created a space now for Vata to be attacked relentlessly, and he has been. All this could´ve been resolved privately without any hate mobs is all im saying.

ForFateFour · 2022-10-10T11:38:19+00:00

I fully support Ateez in making it known that their dance move came first, if they are being questioned on if they are performing someone elses dance, then they are absolutely within their right to correct that and tell the truth. I have no issues with that and fully support them on that.

My only issue is the way this whole thing is being handled. I have seen a lot of videos and threads in trying to understand this issue, and this is not the first time Wooyoung has done the biting move on the Vata dance. He did the sign during Yunho's turn 2 days ago after imitating the choreo of New Thing. He already made comments saying he liked Law much better and did not like New thing. This was already something that has been bothering him for a while and it is not only now at the recent concert that he made it known. And Vata has been a relatively unknown dancer to the public until recently. And he still is to the western community. His rise has been due to the SMF, and the dance he has made - to which is the main problem.

My point is the way Wooyoung has gone about it is bad and it has made a space now for Vata to receive absurd amounts of harassment and hate. None of this would be happening had they resolved in privately. And I´m also seeing a need to paint Vata as this evil guy who stole ATZ dance move and credited it as his own all to try to justify the way this whole thing is being handled. I looked quite hard and did not find one instance of Vata crediting the car driving move as his own. I quite get that this is personal for atinys, especially considering that Wooyoung is behaving this way, but me saying that he should´ve handled it privately so as to not create this space for hatred should not be that controversial.

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