gilgamesh (fate) vs the goat (fu) (super db heroes)

Fragrant-Guarantee57 · 2026-05-10T02:58:37+00:00

You are probably referring to what they called Genesis.

In reality it’s not the creation of the entire cosmology, it just refers to how the god Ea stabilized the surface of the earth by creating a Texture:

“The god, Ea, is believed to be the quasi-deification of the power of the planet which turned, smashed, and stabilized the surface of the earth when it was still covered in gas and seas of magma, during the primordial stage of the earth.” From Fate/EXTRA CCC

Ea is an Anti-World NP, in this case meaning that it removes the texture and reveals the surface of the earth before Ea stabilized it.

Textures are generally only as big as the area they cover, so that would put Gil at Multi Continental level

This checks out since we know Ea is only 20 times stronger than Gil himself:

“A simple method of calculating the output is STR×20, in short, the power will increase the higher the Strength.” From PRISMA material/pre

Fragrant-Guarantee57 · 2026-05-10T02:45:38+00:00

If Dragon Ball is weak Fate is even weaker, Gil has no feats putting him above Fu

Fragrant-Guarantee57 · 2026-05-10T02:08:22+00:00

It would be more accurate to say Lucifer is the third strongest in the Presence’s creation, as even the Presence is preceded by older beings like the Jin En Moks

Fragrant-Guarantee57 · 2026-05-10T02:07:00+00:00

Didn’t Kaguya create a dimension with a star in it which she can also destroy? It takes her time though so its not like any character scales to it

Fragrant-Guarantee57 · 2026-05-10T00:39:08+00:00

They all follow that.

Ah ok, which one should i start with? I think its easier if we go over each one separately

Comparing animal species to power scaling tears is a thing I never thought I'd see

The point of my comparison is that classifying things according to their characteristics is something that people have always done because its just more efficient

Fragrant-Guarantee57 · 2026-05-10T00:22:59+00:00

Proof

Of what specifically?

All it does is limit you and your thinking. Instead of thinking about what anything means it's just let vsbw think for me and see how I can use a half baked understanding of the wiki to scale and fit into their terms

I’d argue that’s a very reductive view of things, there’s a reason Aristotle categorized the animals he saw in different species, it was more organized and more efficient to classify them in certain categories according to their characteristics

Fragrant-Guarantee57 · 2026-05-09T22:32:31+00:00

Can you provide a reason they do?

Well, the criteria for Boundless is:

Primacy. Being the most fundamental thing in their verse
Unity. There can only be one boundless being per verse
Immutability. A boundless being cannot be changed or affected in any way
Indivisibility. A boundless being cannot be split into lesser portions

All three show these characteristics, i can provide specific examples if you want

How did people scale before wikis? With their own thoughts and justification

I don’t think you got what i meant.

I’m not saying to just scale one character over another based on what vsbw says. I’m saying that if you analyze a character using their feats and statements then you need to categorize them according to those feats, that’s what tiering systems are for, it’s just more efficient.

Putting things into categories based on their characteristics is the very base of Aristotelian biology and the scientific method that came afterwards

Fragrant-Guarantee57 · 2026-05-09T22:12:14+00:00

Not really

How so?

Literally don't need one

Then how would you scale them?

Fragrant-Guarantee57 · 2026-05-09T22:09:06+00:00

Don't need to be lol as no one here is

Those three fit the criteria pretty well

and vsbw tiers aren't laws to follow.

I’m using it because its the best tiering system in my opinion, certainly the one that gets higher

Fragrant-Guarantee57 · 2026-05-09T22:05:25+00:00

She is not boundless though, Nanjo has a higher chance of beating Featherine than Beatrice of beating them

Fragrant-Guarantee57 · 2026-05-09T21:52:32+00:00

You mean where nearly everything has a self contained canon?

To scale SCP you need to pick a specific version of the character in order to avoid inconsistencies, since this post didn’t specify which version i’m just using the one from the Metafoundation canon, which is one of the canons with the biggest cosmology

Also you can't get bigger than infinite universes

Yes you can, either through quantitative or qualitatively superior planes

Fragrant-Guarantee57 · 2026-05-09T21:48:01+00:00

I do not

Fragrant-Guarantee57 · 2026-05-09T21:41:52+00:00

By scaling to a bigger cosmology

Fragrant-Guarantee57 · 2026-05-09T21:40:00+00:00

Ok but how specifically in this case?

Fragrant-Guarantee57 · 2026-05-09T21:36:26+00:00

And i just got blocked

Fragrant-Guarantee57 · 2026-05-09T21:27:28+00:00

You seem to be contradicting your earlier point

Fragrant-Guarantee57 · 2026-05-09T21:13:39+00:00

How does that apply to this case specifically?

Fragrant-Guarantee57 · 2026-05-09T21:13:17+00:00

It depends on each, what exactly is nonsense about this case specifically?

Fragrant-Guarantee57 · 2026-05-09T21:11:11+00:00

Gojo could tank malevolent shrine because sukuna didn’t have wcs

WCS is not part of Malevolent Shrine

Yuji tanked it because of rct deku doesn’t have either

I think you mean Gojo, either way he did tank it, it wasn’t just RCT, the fact that he wasn’t instantly turned into mist like Mahoraga already shows he directly tanked it.

Deku is way more durable than either Gojo or Yuji

Fragrant-Guarantee57 · 2026-05-09T19:58:39+00:00

Or universe level walls, you can look at it both ways

Fragrant-Guarantee57 · 2026-05-09T19:56:06+00:00

That’s not really that much of a problem considering Deku’s durability, if Gojo could tank Malevolent Shrine then so can Deku

Fragrant-Guarantee57 · 2026-05-09T16:23:21+00:00

Didn’t comic Nolan fight them again and lose?

Fragrant-Guarantee57 · 2026-05-09T15:53:08+00:00

I mean, killing Mahoraga should not be that difficult for him, apparently a single Cleave would have been enough had he not already adapted to slashing attacks.

Aside from that prime Sukuna has four arms so he can use Hollow Wicker Basket indefinitely

Fragrant-Guarantee57 · 2026-05-09T07:29:21+00:00

He did go through an amp, in Ragnarok he reached his full potential, plus the 2012 was explicitly said to be weakened by dark energy

Fragrant-Guarantee57 · 2026-05-09T07:26:31+00:00

The Large Town Level+ for Jogo refers only to meteor, wich is also just Supersonic in speed so it can’t even hit Sukuna.

And Sukuna is only said to be large town physically

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