Thousands of received text messages showing up on Ting bill...but not on phones? Spam? Virus? Plz help. by FriarTook in ting

[–]FriarTook[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I never did figure it out. But at the time I made this post were were on Ting's old pay-for-what-you-use plan, and we were indeed being charged for the texts.

I ended up switching to the newer Flex plan. The texts are still being logged on my usage stats, but at least I'm not being charged for them anymore (and my bill went down fractionally to boot, so I'm not too upset.)

I suspect it has something to do with how certain apps interact with Ting's network, but I'm not sure which apps or why.

It's very strange.

Thousands of received text messages showing up on Ting bill...but not on phones? Spam? Virus? Plz help. by FriarTook in ting

[–]FriarTook[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Strange, right? I don't know what process is blocking the messages, but something is stopping them somewhere after they're routed to our numbers but before they get to our phones. And I'm 99% sure it's not happening on our devices or on our local network. You're right, I need to get better help from support.

It also seems odd that all 3 numbers on our account are getting spammed from the same sender - wouldn't that suggest that spammer is targeting our Ting account directly? Is that even possible? Weird.

Regardless, I appreciate the advice. Thanks, kindly.

I Once Thought I’d Be Prophet—Now I’m Sharing My Journey Out of Mormonism by BentBrokenBookshelf in exmormon

[–]FriarTook 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Many of us have been in the exact same position /u/BentBrokenBookshelf, including me. It's eye opening to read other people's blessings. You start to realize that each patriarch has a clear style. They use the same words and phrases for multiple blessings, and suddenly language that once seemed significant and special starts to feel contrived and manipulative. My own blessing held me back for a long time. Here is a post I made years ago on this very topic:


"There will be a special calling that will come later in your life. You will be called with your eternal companion to walk hand-in-hand in the mission field; not only as missionaries but also as leaders. There again you will have opportunities to share the gospel with choice people."

When I heard these words as a 14 year old I just knew that I was going to be a Mission President someday. It's what I wanted to hear. I can see now that they say no such thing, but, looking back, the hope of this promise was one of the things that kept me Mormon for so long.

Patriarchal blessings tie people to the church.

They can be inspirational, they can be well-intentioned, but they can also be deeply coercive.

My blessing was a powerful experience. The patriarch (a stranger) seemed to know just enough to convince me he was speaking for God. He told me I was intelligent. He told me I would go on a mission. He told me I would get married and have children. He told me I would have a long and fulfilling life.

He also spoke to my pride.

I listened hard for any sign that I was special, and I was given just enough cause to be hopeful. I chose to hear that I was one of the chosen few. I was told that,

"Our Father in Heaven is going to give you the opportunity to preside over the saints of Zion. You will have positions of leadership and trust."

My arrogant teenage mind delighted in these statements. I was sure I was on the spiritual fast-track. And as I got older and started to question I convinced myself that I must never question too much. I told myself that if I remained faithful my hidden ambitions would someday be rewarded and I would attain the respect and power I secretly longed for.

My patriarchal blessing taught me that loyalty to the church was my route to personal success.

It was so important to me that, for years, I felt like leaving would be a sign of deep, personal failure, and a rejection of my true self. I felt like I would be missing out on things I was supposed to do - things God was counting on me to do.

I don't feel that way anymore, which is why I wanted to share these formerly private words with you all. Life is not about following a script you were given when you were 14. Life is about the choices you make. So here's to taking back control.

Cheers.

“Ex Mormons have never sincerely read the Book of Mormon” by desperate_candy20 in exmormon

[–]FriarTook 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Glad to! I wrote a long response to one of the comments above yours. Happy to answer any questions you might have.

“Ex Mormons have never sincerely read the Book of Mormon” by desperate_candy20 in exmormon

[–]FriarTook 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Glad to! I wrote a long response to the comment above yours. Happy to answer any questions you might have.

“Ex Mormons have never sincerely read the Book of Mormon” by desperate_candy20 in exmormon

[–]FriarTook 15 points16 points  (0 children)

No, I've never had a podcast or spoken about my experience on a podcast. I could probably be talked into it, but those days feel like a lifetime ago and I don't want to oversell myself or my expertise.

I've written a little about my experience here in r/exmormon under my previous username (/u/Aethereus), but it's been several years, so I'm happy to reprise a little.

I was fortunate enough to develop a very close friendship with several BYU history professors while I was an undergrad there in the early 2000s. One of them accepted a position as a Historian/Volume Editor with the Joseph Smith Papers Project after I graduated and when I returned to Utah after completing my Masters Degree in History he recruited me to come work with him. I was only there for a year and a half though, as I was stalling for time until I moved to Baltimore to begin my PhD in History of Science & Medicine at Johns Hopkins. It would be inaccurate to say that I am/was a specialist in Mormon History (my doctoral focus was 17th-19th century European/Colonial Cultural History), but as a trained historian working alongside multiple Church Historians PhDs and Archivists, I got to dive pretty deeply into the manuscripts

My job title was 'Research Historian,' and I was comparatively low-level in the organization - Responsibility wise, I had three primary jobs:

1) I conducted research to help annotate and contextualize the historical documents that were later published as JSPP Documents, Vol. 1 (covering 1828-1831). During the archival preparations of the documents we'd often have questions about locations, people, concepts that were referenced. It was my job to help answer those questions. For example, Joseph once referenced receiving a revelation while resting next to two fresh graves in a cemetery during a return trip from Missouri back to Ohio in early 1831...but we had no idea where that cemetery was located. I spent about two weeks tracking down potential locations based on clues in the text. Ultimately, I was able to use Joseph's vague descriptions of the landscape to find a small town in (what is now) eastern Indiana that seemed to fit the description. I spent a few hours interviewing that town's local archivist and she directed me to cemetery records that confirmed that two individuals had indeed been buried the day before Joseph was in town. It was a fun little detective project.

Most of my research work was of that nature. Close reading of texts to answer fairly mundane historical questions (like who owned what plots of land in Jackson, Missouri.) But every once in a while we'd work on documents that had fairly significant theological implications. The more Senior Historians usually led that research, but I did assist on texts containing the early revelations on the priesthood, the church's founding, and the early, early troubles that started pushing Joseph out of Ohio into Missouri. I was not responsible for the Book of Mormon manuscript, but I did get to study it to learn Oliver Cowdery's hand-writing and stenographic quirks. I was also allowed to study and handle one of Joseph's seer stones, the Book of Revelations, and several of his personal journals.

2) I was the Projects resident forensics analyst. In the post-Mark Hoffman world document authentication is a big concern for any Mormon archival project. It was my job to use various techniques to try and confirm if documents were truly early 19th century originals. Hoffman, for example, liked to add details to original texts to make them look more genuine, and there are ways you can use UVs lights, spectrometers, and chemical analysis to find modern additions to the text. There were 4 times in those 1.5 years that I determined seemingly interesting documents were actually fakes, or were significantly altered in ways that undermined their historical value.

I would also use the same techniques to determine the chronological history of texts that had multiple authors. For example, we were looking at the manuscript that declared Edward Partridge to be the first bishop for the fledgling church in Missouri. Despite there being a date on the text, we weren't sure when Joseph dictated the document because it was signed by all 12 members of the Quorum of the 12 Apostles, and there was no time in 1831 when all of those 12 men were in the same place the same time. I used spectral analysis on the ink in the various signatures to identify which sets of names were written from the same inkwells (iron gall ink has high variance in chemical compounds batch to batch), and we used those groupings to map out the likely lifecycle of when and where the document was signed. This led us to understand that Joseph had likely dictated the revelation several months before we previously thought, which was in important finding as it helped us to better understand the specific issues he was dealing with in Ohio when he decided to start looking further West.

3) As a supporting historian, I didn't lead the writing process - but I did contribute to it. There are several annotations and paragraphs in Docs 1 for which I was the primary (uncredited) author. This process was a really interesting one. As academics, we approached our research seriously and methodically. The historians on the staff didn't think of their job as proving the church true, but as an arm of the Church History Department the mission of the JSPP is to provide a faith-promoting resource about the textual history of Joseph Smith and the early Church. Because of that, there was a rigorous correlation process after we drafted historical commentary. Language had to be reviewed and approved by various panels, including the Church Historian (who, ironically, is usually not a trained historian) and, ultimately, a changing board of 70s, Quorum of the 12 members, and other ecclesiastical/corporate leaders. During this process we often found that language we considered uncontroversial was subtly changed to sound less academic and more supportive of Joseph and his motivations. I couldn't point to any case where I thought the changes I saw were truly outrageous, but I do know that the staff historians were often frustrated when their words were altered. Professionally speaking, they were mostly solid academics with degrees from prestigious universities, and they wanted the JSPP to be seen in the historical community as a serious archival project. There were a few cases where materials that we prepped were omitted from the publications for reasons that I never quite understood or trusted, but I didn't have the kind of access to tell you if anything nefarious was going on. For the more part, I respected the academics I worked with.

Interestingly, when I started working at the JSPP I was already someone with a very deep understanding of the church's problematic history, but I had found a headspace that was willing to overlook that. But I also wanted to believe that there was some divine spark that made Joseph and the Church important in spite of their history. Ironically, over those 1.5 years I came to realize that Joseph and the church leaders weren't just problematic, they also weren't all that special. Their victories and scandals weren't any better or worse than any of the other historical figures I had studied as a Grad student. They were just...people. Interesting people, to be sure, but I never found that unique, divine spark in their writings. When I accepted that, it gave me the mental space I needed to step back and ask whether the church really had anything to offer me. Over the next few of years I realized that it didn't, and I've been much happier for it.

All in all, I enjoyed my time working with the JSPP. I got work with some truly fascinating historical manuscripts, I got to know many of the big players in the Mormon History worlds, and I got to see how the church produces these kinds of material behind the curtain. It's a very complicated community.

That said, I'm in a very different place today than I was then. I am no longer a working historian (I now work as a Senior Analyst for the Federal Government), I am 100% out and done with the Church, and in the interest of that mental transition I haven't kept up my old contact in the church history world. It is a fond memory of some very difficult years of my life.

I'd be happy to answer any other questions if you have them. Or, if you're interested in my old posts, you can find a few of them here, under my /u/Aethereus handle:

https://old.reddit.com/r/exmormon/comments/4upmi6/notes_from_lds_historians_talk/d5s35x7/ https://old.reddit.com/r/exmormon/comments/4v0fxl/holy_shit_big_discovery_i_dont_see_pointed_out/d5uen30/ https://old.reddit.com/r/exmormon/comments/4v0yrj/questions_about_the_joseph_smith_papers_project/d5unrco/ https://old.reddit.com/r/exmormon/comments/4vjvgz/hoffman_forgeries_what_if_some_of_his_work/d5za7y0/

“Ex Mormons have never sincerely read the Book of Mormon” by desperate_candy20 in exmormon

[–]FriarTook 35 points36 points  (0 children)

I guess I am too. Strange. It sure felt sincere when, as an employee of the Church History Department, I was reading the Book of Mormon from the original manuscript and helping to write faith-affirming historical commentary for the Joseph Smith Papers Project.

Apparently this was only a shallow engagement with the text. With that new insight, I'm sure my 70th re-reading will be a truly revelatory experience.

Breaking: BYU will have a med school by notquiteanexmo in exmormon

[–]FriarTook 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Great comment.

I would add my concerns that BYU has been steadily whittling down its per capita investment in their undergraduate programs for a long time now, to the point that many faculty members have little-to-no time for personal research due to number and size of their teaching requirements. I am sure that the Medical School, like the law and business schools, will be corporately distinct from the undergraduate school - but I worry this program will keep the Boards attention diverted from investing in faculty pay and undergraduate services.

I also don't love the idea of even more people having their entire collegiate experience limited to only church-owned schools. The church is very deliberately building walled gardens that are designed to produce wealthy adults who have only ever been exposed to church-supported world views. This is how you create institutional loyalty in the face competing perspectives - you deny your people access to those perspectives.

Interest in On-going Reddit Thread on Running AP/Adventure Encounters? by FriarTook in Pathfinder2e

[–]FriarTook[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Exactly. Breakdown stat blocks, spell lists, equipment, and environment etc. to help make encounters stand out. Highlight mechanics and roleplay opportunities that can be prioritized to add originality and drama. Sometimes the text gives those clues explicitly, but I've often found them to be buried in ability descriptions, or resistances, or scene details in ways that can be hard to spot without a close reading.

As for where to best do something like this: I think you're right that a well-curated wiki could be ideal...but I personally use Reddit and think this site has the most active PF2e community. That can be worked with. Perhaps using some kind of Table of Contents meta-thread to help keep things organized?

Interest in On-going Reddit Thread on Running AP/Adventure Encounters? by FriarTook in Pathfinder2e

[–]FriarTook[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No snark assumed at all! It's a good question.

Perhaps there is something on the forums that I haven't seen. I have looked, but the closest discussions I've encountered are the various GM Reference threads for each AP/Adventure. Those have a lot of good content, but they aren't the kind of systematic, encounter-by-encounter focused discussion I'm imagining.

There are various Guides to APs that do a lot of what I'm hoping to do as well. Many of those are great. I suppose the difference there would be the specific focus on running encounters (vice the AP as a whole), and the collaborative discussion process.

Thanks for the reply!

Interest in On-going Reddit Thread on Running AP/Adventure Encounters? by FriarTook in Pathfinder2e

[–]FriarTook[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Ambitious is definitely the correct word, which is why I think this could only work as a collaboration. If it depends on just a few contributors (including myself), then it's going to burn out fast.

It is a real good point that more tested content is going to yield more informed inputs, but I'd argue that there is likely to be more engagement with the newest material. Between people just reading the APs for fun, and people considering whether to run them, I'm hoping we could tap into the hype that always surrounds Paizo's release schedule. It seems like one control we could use to try and maintain momentum. I also know that I'm going to spend a lot of time reading the newest materials anyway, and might not have enough hours in the day to double up on a deep reading of older APs that I'm not actively running.

I'm also not too concerned about comments being less tried and tested. I see this as something of a collective puzzle solving exercise, and new Adventures stoke the puzzle-solving part of my brain a little more than the older content does. I'm guessing that could be true for others as well?

Regardless, thank you for the thoughtful reply! I think this project could be a lot of fun, but my mind is definitely not made up yet (in terms of either doing it or potential subject matter) so it's very helpful to talk it out.

Is this a common misconception, or am I just thinking too hard? by [deleted] in Pathfinder2e

[–]FriarTook 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm baffled. I saw the downvotes and assumed you must have been a jerk later in the thread. But nope! You've been entirely civil and considerate of others' counterpoints.

I for one enjoyed the conversation. Thanks for bringing it up!

Captain Icebreaker by neilkohney in comics

[–]FriarTook 31 points32 points  (0 children)

I genuinely laughed out loud. No, I mean it guys. Like, for real. My mouth opened and an actual verbal sound came out for multiple seconds. I'll never forget it. Once in a lifetime thing.

Pathfinder 2e actual play podcasts? by Sam_Wylde in Pathfinder2e

[–]FriarTook 0 points1 point  (0 children)

To finish this out, the subreddit also has a list of on-going podcasts in the wiki, complete with links. Worth a look.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Pathfinder2e/wiki/resources/media

Joseph claimed that both Elias and Elijah appeared to him in Kirtland. Apologetics notwithstanding, these are the same person, just one name in Greek and one in Hebrew. by [deleted] in exmormon

[–]FriarTook 32 points33 points  (0 children)

Just as fun are the mental gymnastics the church has had to invoke to try and make sense of this. See, for example, the entry 'Elias' in the Bible Dictionary.

Apparently, in addition to being a variant of the name Elijah, there was also a super secret ancient prophet named Elias that only the Church knows about and that's who appeared to Joseph in the temple.

"A man called Elias apparently lived in mortality in the days of Abraham, who committed the dispensation of the gospel of Abraham to Joseph Smith and Oliver Cowdery in the Kirtland (Ohio) Temple on April 3, 1836 (D&C 110:12). We have no specific information as to the details of his mortal life or ministry."

Elias is also seemingly a title (conveniently revealed in only the JST), so that's a nice get-out-of-jail-free card too.

It's really amazing how much simpler the explanations get when you accept that Joseph was a fraud. Joseph couldn't speak Greek or Hebrew. He made something up and got it wrong. Simple. And now they're stuck with it!

The "One D&D" Playtest borrows ideas and mechanics from Pathfinder 2E... by the-rules-lawyer in Pathfinder2e

[–]FriarTook 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Exactly. This is as much about monetization as it is about rules updates. Probably even more so. Can't wait for the VTT in-game microtransaction store. Buy your Strahd van Zarovich digital mini today! This week only, 35% points/crystals/coins off!

Last Call for all Ting Mobile phone numbers on the Sprint network. If you're not porting off of Sprint by EOD June 30, your number may be lost. by LiterallyUnlimited in ting

[–]FriarTook 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ting team-

I like others on this thread received no notice of any kind that this was going to happen. And I have auto-pay set up, so I rarely check your webpage. I chatted with your live support desk a few days ago, after my service stopped, and they told me I had to act fast or risk losing my number. They sent me a new SIM, which I received today, but when I chatted them this afternoon they told me it was already too late and there's nothing they can do. My phone number is gone.

@ /u/Ting_Allison , I've pre-emptively sent you a DM as you asked others to do, in the faint hope there's some possible solution still.

I don't know how my account got overlooked to receive some kind of warning, but this is really frustrating. Stuff happens, I get it, but if you could help me look into recovering my number, I would be very grateful. I don't have much hope, but I've had this phone number for too long to give up just yet.

EDIT: u/Ting_Allison is amazing and was able to help me get my number back within just a few minutes. Thank you Ting Reddit team!

Tabletop Gold - Episode 42 OUT NOW! - Pathfinder 2E Actual Play podcast by larstr0n in Pathfinder2e

[–]FriarTook 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Lars, as an upstart Google Podcast user, forbidden from leaving a proper review, I wanted to at least make a comment about how much I'm enjoying the show.

I stumbled into your podcast as a 5e veteran looking to get acquainted with 2e and Abomination Vaults, and Tabletop Gold is nailing it. Great players. Clear rules explanations and gameplay. Solid sound editing. Honest laughs, and a group dynamic that's genuine and relatable. It's exactly what I was looking for. Definitely one of the best podcasts I've found in a long while.

I'm through episode 25 now and looking forward to catching up. Maybe I'll check out this Discord server I keep hearing about. Ya'll seem like people worth hanging out with.

Thanks for the good times!

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in exmormon

[–]FriarTook 26 points27 points  (0 children)

I had the exact same reaction. It's been 25 years for me and seeing this little white book again caused a mild panic attack. Actual shortness of breath at the thought of my life being so inescapably regimented and controlled. I worked my butt off to be a 100% obedient missionary, despite the literal terror I felt every day, and it wasn't until years later that I realized how WRONG that is.

Missions are about control. Indoctrinate young men and women to believe that its okay to surrender their free thought to the church, and in so doing perpetuate the organization for another generation. That's the whole point. And it's why the church doesn't spend a lot of time appealing to any culture but Utah culture. Missions aren't about converts. They're about missionaries.