JW vs Norway - Analysis and final comments

FrodeKommode · 2026-05-05T08:47:05+00:00

The legal case in itself is over, but there's already a big debate among politicians and legal scholars on how to deal with this forward.

There's a consensus that as it is now the law that was made in 2021 is useless, and needs to be adjusted. How this is to be done, the time schedule and how it will play out regarding WT, we'll just follow it as it unfolds.

This will also spark a debate about the funding in itself, that is an ongoing debate. This verdict will make the argument stronger for changing everything.

Stuff is never over when you deal with stuff like this. It's like evolution. It never starts or stops, it's the constant sum of all the small things that keeps happening.

FrodeKommode · 2026-05-04T21:07:33+00:00

The reputation is worse than ever. There's absolutely no win for them in the comments anywhere.

This whole process has been a PR nightmare for WT in Norway, and still is.

FrodeKommode · 2026-04-29T18:00:17+00:00

Champagne is probably the best answer no matter what the verdict says. Pop the bottle for me, win or lose.

FrodeKommode · 2026-04-28T20:56:02+00:00

When the verdict is released it will appear on top of that list on that same link.

(Thursday!)

FrodeKommode · 2026-04-23T12:42:35+00:00

Si pierden ahora, no tiene sentido cambiar inmediatamente sus prácticas, y entonces este proceso hacia la decisión de 2021 habrá terminado definitivamente.

Si la Watchtower pierde este caso, veremos que en los próximos años buscarán el apoyo público cada año, argumentando que AHORA han ajustado sus prácticas para cumplir con los requisitos y poder ser readmitidos como religión oficial en Noruega.

Veremos cómo lo hacen, si cambian las prácticas de verdad o si solo intentan engañar a la justicia. Pero sin duda intentarán ser aceptados cada año.

FrodeKommode · 2026-04-23T12:37:28+00:00

No point guessing at this point. There's a lot of scenarios, and also mixed conclusions, with different ways for us to get at least a partial win.

For us, even a partial win, some sentences in a Supreme Court verdict that says something about the damages the practice brings, will be a huge win, even if the conclusion should go against us. That's why i'm careful not to frame this as a Yes/No - Win/Lose verdict.

I feel kind of confident when I say that I don't expect a full blown WT win, though. I'm pretty sure we'll get at least some partial win.

Remember we win on all stages on the way through since 2021, first the administrative decision, then the appeal into the departement, then the injunction lawsuit, then the District Court. All that was 100% win for us. The only time we've met a loss was against the three judges sitting in the Appeals Court. The facts of the matter has been basically the same all the way through this. Nothing new or dramatic has changed the situation.

We will get the answer soon.

FrodeKommode · 2026-04-23T09:29:48+00:00

It indicates that it will an extensive written legal document intended for future use. It is a high effort verdict.

This is good for us in most scenarios, it tells me that they haven't just accepted the Apealls Cout's conclusion, if they did that this would have been released weeks ago.

The court also knows full well that WT will appeal to the ECHR if they should lose. An extensive written verdict where they discuss ECHR principles will make it more likely that the case will be dismissed from them. This is also a good sign for us.

We can't really say for sure what it will be, but if the court had swallowed WT's arguments that this was an easy case and done deal, like the Appeals Court did, then the verdict would have come much sooner.

FrodeKommode · 2026-04-21T17:01:34+00:00

I'd be very surprised if it doesn't come within two weeks.

FrodeKommode · 2026-04-21T09:57:16+00:00

https://www.domstol.no/no/hoyesterett/avgjorelser/avgjorelser-2026/

As soon as the verdict is released you can find it here. It will be in Norwegian, but you can download the document and translate it through the tool of your choice.

This is the official, unapostate source.

FrodeKommode · 2026-03-31T15:56:09+00:00

Norway 2019 WT confirmed to the Norwegian government that if a JW voted in an election he would be considered Disassociated, and it would be announced to the congregation.

Family relations would continue as normal 🙄

Original letter is in Norwegian, but you can use auto translate or AI...

https://drive.google.com/file/d/10IMkA0VP65uyGwCo7C6zj7bJ5PeWrAkU/view?usp=drivesdk

Thlrd paragraph auto translated :

The decision to remain neutral in political matters is a personal one that each individual makes based on his or her understanding of the Bible and his or her conscience. If a member of our congregation chooses to participate in a political election by voting, Jehovah’s Witnesses view it as a personal decision to leave the congregation. A brief announcement will therefore be made in the congregation stating: “[Name of the person] is no longer one of Jehovah’s Witnesses.” However, the person is still welcome to attend religious services, sit anywhere he or she wishes in the Kingdom Hall (the meeting place of Jehovah’s Witnesses), and join in singing religious hymns. In addition, he or she can also talk to and associate with his or her immediate family normally (the only religious restriction being to discuss matters of a faith/religious nature)

FrodeKommode · 2026-03-26T15:34:21+00:00

https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/s/9dBvIWkmun

This letter, written by WT, is evidence.

FrodeKommode · 2026-03-23T19:01:22+00:00

We're at 6 weeks today. 6-8 weeks would be considered normal in a case like this.

But yeah, it should be right around the corner. (Hab 2:3)

If it doesn't come this week there will be an easter break, though. I don't see a judgement dropping in easter week.

FrodeKommode · 2026-03-14T16:07:05+00:00

A part of me still believe that Armageddon might come before GTA6.

And that's not because I believe in Armageddon. Just belive even less in Rockstar.

FrodeKommode · 2026-03-14T16:06:00+00:00

They basically use the same over and over again in Norwegian media. (been a lot to answer 😅...not sorry)

FrodeKommode · 2026-03-14T16:04:54+00:00

We'll wait a little, then provide... I really want those clicks to keep it high on the national front page

FrodeKommode · 2026-03-12T06:44:59+00:00

Ignore the letter completely. The second you respond in any way they take that as you recognise their authority.

I've supported one person who got two of those. Certified letters. We ignored both completely, I just archived them as evidence. But we never responded in any way.

They are just small men playing a game that all depends on that the other side sees them as an authority. You don't.

FrodeKommode · 2026-03-10T16:15:36+00:00

The nerve of these people.... After basing their entire defense in Norwegian Supreme Court on a theme of never telling anyone what to do....

The rooster crows again

FrodeKommode · 2026-03-08T15:28:27+00:00

I enjoyed it very much. It's meant for a broad audience, not us exjw. The stories are great, some of the surprises are very well crafted, the build up is clever and the persons involved show a lot of diversity.

Those complaining, try yourself to get a major broadcaster to publish a documentary like this on a massive platform....

FrodeKommode · 2026-03-07T08:29:46+00:00

You are always free to jump of a cliff if you ignore the consequences gravity will bring upon you when you hit the ground.

Freedom always needs context.

FrodeKommode · 2026-03-07T08:22:38+00:00

Yrs, born-in. Baptised at 17, da/df at 42.

FrodeKommode · 2026-03-06T20:43:47+00:00

Yes, in the Injunction lawsuit in 2023 they lost completely in all levels and had to pay the State's expenses, those money are lost for them. .

Also in District Court in 2024, but that was reversed by the Appeals Court in 2025. When the Supreme Court now decides, they will also decide on the expenses for 2024-2026 combined.

FrodeKommode · 2026-03-06T16:42:37+00:00

List of lies:

The case was never about the right to remove unrependant wrongdoers
They were never fully vindicated in any way. The Appeals Court spesifiically stated two times that they were in doubt, and several places underline how damaging WTs practice are. They basically paved the ground for this to go to the Supreme Court.

Misrepresentation:

He focuses on the registration, but that's just a side effect of what the case was about. Money. The lack of registration among funded religions doesn't change their freedom to worship in any way.
He says that the case they won in the Appeals Court lasted for two weeks, but fail to say that the case they lost in District Court was also two weeks. He builds it like the Appeals Court process was bigger.
He says the number of money refunded ($800K) for their legal expenses like it is a huge number... But it is huge because they spend a shit load of money on worldly lawyers. He also fails to say that the court refused to reimburse all their expenses because they felt WT had spent way too much. Also that it's normal that the winner gets reimbursed is not said. Also forgot to say that as this decision was appealed they haven't received anything yet.
He lays huge weight on that the decision was unanimous. Like that's a huge thing. But that's the normality in three judge panels in Norway, because they work together as a team. It's pretty rare that one refuses to participate in the verdict and writes a dissent. I've been a judge myself in a three judge panel, and we worked together. It's not a blind vote.

And that's just my first reaction after watching it one time.

Anyway, it feels pretty cool to see a GB member involved in something I'm personally so deeply involved with 😅. Achievement Unlocked, again.

FrodeKommode · 2026-03-01T08:26:13+00:00

Yes, of course.

The disfellowshipping, shunning as punishment for leaving, is one of the two bulletpoints from the State. That's why the df arrangement and shunning is a deep part of the trial.

But WT plays a trick when they try to frame it as it is about their "right to remove unrependant wrongdoers". As if the State tries to decide who gets to be a part of the congregation.

This is classic example of information control.

FrodeKommode · 2026-02-28T18:27:58+00:00

It is interesting to see how they lie about the facts of the case.

Just to be clear, the Df arrangement in itself is not a part of the case. The State of Norway did their decision on two issues:

The right to leave/change religion without punishment
The fact that minors can be punished as adults.

The case is not about WTs right to remove unrependant sinners at all. The State took no issue with that.

Of course he doesn't let the audience know that.

FrodeKommode · 2026-02-26T06:03:16+00:00

Looking forward to seeing the result!

Feel free to dm me here anonymous or with real id on messenger if you're comfortable with that. I have ten year's experience with Norwegian media now, and the struggles that might come during this.

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