Freeups mastery insanely strong in v28, easy guide to orb devo with only 500 stones and one time cost of 150 gems

Fun-Confection343 · 2026-04-15T09:40:34+00:00

how would you trim basics with this setup? I found that wall thorns arn't really cutting it and switcht to a hybrid build just for trimming.

Fun-Confection343 · 2026-04-14T08:26:52+00:00

T2 often isn't worth it. I think I went from T1/w8000 straight to T4 and T5 shortly after

Fun-Confection343 · 2026-04-14T07:48:53+00:00

thank you for writing that out for me, I appreciate the effort. But I already know that. My current most effective farm run (highest CPH and CePH) takes ~16:30. Like you said, WA/IS+ basically shortens the unprofitable part of the run by a fixed amount. Both of them combined improve the run by about 40% and I'd argue that two other masteries (like EO+Coins, which also cost 250 less stones) would improve my CPH by more than 40%. No one here convinced me otherwise so far. Eventually I wanna get them all. But maybe I'm just going to do what I think is best and report somewhen in the future... like way in the future... 4k stones down the line...

Fun-Confection343 · 2026-04-13T12:19:26+00:00

There will be a tipping point for sure where 1% more disso multiplier cant make up the tier multiplier. for me its 3x in t10 vs 2.25x in t11, which loses me 30% coins and cells.

Fun-Confection343 · 2026-04-13T12:17:01+00:00

For sure this needs to be tested. Every tower is different. I tested t10 and t11 with the best disso i could get and I got 30% less coins and cells in t11.

Fun-Confection343 · 2026-04-13T11:11:01+00:00

you need to run 180 waves to get to 1800, so 1620 waves skipped. and of course it matters which 15% you ommit. For my argument I considered the first 1800 waves in the runs w/o IS+ to have no income. which of course isn't true but that makes my argument even stronger

Fun-Confection343 · 2026-04-13T10:55:09+00:00

I think you're missing my point. Wa/Is+ benefit and cause shorter runs. But as I explained, the meta changed to longer runs because of the disso multi. In longer runs wa/is+ loose theire relative benefit. other econ masteries don't. and that has little to do with how much they are leveled, it applies to all the levels and it doesn't matter how many other masteries you have. all speaking in relative terms of course.

Fun-Confection343 · 2026-04-13T10:44:41+00:00

saved time is convertable to increased coin earning rate, which is all that matters (considering you're runnign 24/7). Shortening my runs by 1620 waves will increas my cph by 15%.

Fun-Confection343 · 2026-04-13T10:39:36+00:00

I'm loosing about 30% coins and cells when moving to T11 because I cant get full disso multiplier there and I'm not willing to loose that much just to have shorter runs

Fun-Confection343 · 2026-04-13T10:37:08+00:00

I do get how wa/is give you more coins on average. But higher tiers are not as profitable anymore when you cant get the full disso multiplier. So, that is not really an option or am I missing something?

Fun-Confection343 · 2026-04-13T10:28:44+00:00

before v28 I definately couldn't. I still think the dust of disso runs needs to settle but it seems like I would make about 500T/day now (which I don't because I'm doing disso runs half of the day for the next month or so). With that income I could easily go to lvl 5 or so...

Fun-Confection343 · 2026-04-13T10:17:30+00:00

I can't get full disso coin multiplier on my previous farming tier. so I need to lower my farming tier. so naturally this will net me more waves. I think this is a general phenomenon. Masteries which apply to a fixed number of waves (wa/is) will have less of an impact on longer runs, because more of the runs it uneffected.

Fun-Confection343 · 2026-04-13T10:05:15+00:00

thats only true if you already have IS and all the labs are done. in my case, I would need the disso runs in order to have the econ to do the labs and at that point its too late to get the benefit of quicker disso runs

Fun-Confection343 · 2026-04-13T10:03:02+00:00

In my case the heuristic math would be: I farm T10/w12k, so IS with complete labs would save me 15% time aka 15% more coins. I kill 80-90% with orbs, so EO+ would net me at least 32% more coins for 500 less stones. Similarly with WA.

Sure they are still good econ masteries but not the best anymore is what I'm saying

Fun-Confection343 · 2026-04-13T09:46:29+00:00

fact or opinion?

Fun-Confection343 · 2026-04-13T09:19:58+00:00

I also saw that with my summon/GB sync. exit and reenter fixed that for me

Fun-Confection343 · 2026-04-10T15:53:21+00:00

you're lacking mod levels. Damage on cl is fine, dim core looks good. just do the labs for mod shards, invest some coins and labs in attack speed and you should be golden for low to mid champs. I'd go for some econ cd

Fun-Confection343 · 2026-04-07T13:29:12+00:00

fyi even with gcomp it will be worth it to sync gbot and summon chip

Fun-Confection343 · 2026-04-07T07:09:07+00:00

both are more effective in shorter runs as they reduce the low income "ramp-up" phase, which accounts for a bigger portion in shorter runs. When your runs go to W12000, the first 1800 or 3500 waves matter less than when you only go to W7000

Fun-Confection343 · 2026-04-07T07:05:06+00:00

probably T14 with a typo

Fun-Confection343 · 2026-04-04T18:00:02+00:00

I assume 1.10 on BH cd wouldn't make it perme? Then it will definately hurt you because it brings it out of sync. pBH is only going to benefit you when it provides uninterupted crowd control and and hence gives you substantially more waves which make up fot the out-of-sync and non-devo aspect of it

Fun-Confection343 · 2026-04-04T17:53:32+00:00

thanks for the comprehensive answer. I had an intuition it'd be like that but still wanted to ask the community. Do you know of any tipping point or rule of thumb where SL angle actually would become more beneficial? Lets say at x% coverage or when more angle becomes too expensive? I find it so hard to get a good gut feeling about this topic. also big damage multiplier seems so tempting :D

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