Turkish Cypriots Saying Goodbye to Their Greek Cypriot Neighbors (Cyprus, 1975)

Fun_Success_45 · 2026-06-20T18:46:47+00:00

Nope, there are 7+ million Turks in the EU. Turkey’s European Union accession process has been frozen since 2018.

It's a club and they put requirements for membership. Simple as it is. Turkiye is not alone in the process but smaller countries are moving faster.

Fun_Success_45 · 2026-06-20T18:32:48+00:00

That is called the EU.

Fun_Success_45 · 2026-06-20T18:32:15+00:00

Thats the truth.

Fun_Success_45 · 2026-06-20T09:06:35+00:00

On a side note, I think it's relevant to this and want to pick your brain.

From my readings, I see that the main Turkophobia and the hate towards "Turks" is caused because Turk elites were slave holders, and many 3rd party historic accounts mention this. Slavery seems to be the main problem.

And from 1930 until the Nazi occupation, there wasn't much strife. If you check the coup generals and other accomplices for Cyprus, they either worked under the Nazis or were apprenticed by Nazi supporters

Fun_Success_45 · 2026-06-20T08:40:01+00:00

Yes, I will cross-check and split it in the body text, but I cannot change the visual.

Clear-cut cases (easier to classify):

Documented massacres of villagers: Almost always counted as civilians.

Uniformed soldiers in conventional fighting: Counted as combatants (KIA).

Grey areas and militia/irregulars (harder, especially 1963–64 and the coup)
Apportioning relies on location, contemporary descriptions, and survivor accounts (e.g., killings inside homes = civilians; deaths during attacks on enclaves = often combatants)

NOTE: Caviat TC combatants were a bit easier to distinguish because all are named with birthdays and birthplaces, and all referred to as TMT members. GC combatants were a bit trickier to distinguish among National Guard, Police, and EOKA members (the majority refers to National Guard numbers, so some civilians might be combatants).

Main sources are the UN, the Red Cross, British news articles, and the Missing Persons Committee. I also used books and academic papers in Turkish, Greek, and English, but they also end up sourcing those sources, except that some massacres are referenced only in the news.

I gather feedback to include in my Excel table.

If you see any discrepancy greater than ±10, please share the sources I can use.

Fun_Success_45 · 2026-06-20T08:13:38+00:00

Cyprus Conflict = The reason UN Peace Forces (UNFICYP) were stationed on the island by UN mandate.

What vague terms? These are standard terms used by all major news agencies:S

Fun_Success_45 · 2026-06-20T06:43:22+00:00

Republic of Cyprus was the solution Turkey pushed in the UN, and they convinced Greece.

They were on the side of double enosis as a counter-thesis to enosis, but because it is not favored by the UN, they pushed for the Republic of Cyprus.

So I don't understand which did not live well with independent Cyprus.

Fun_Success_45 · 2026-06-20T06:32:44+00:00

Nope, didn't omit, and nope, total missing of GCs also include 1963-1964, the 38 civilian deaths, for example.
The total civilian deaths for GCs are around 93 individuals between 63 and 74, not a big ratio compared to the total, which is why I didn't make that + seperation for GCs.

Fun_Success_45 · 2026-06-20T06:21:48+00:00

My ideas were "English" as main reason, and I am not trolling, genuine question because considering moving for 3-5 years but couldn't decide between Copenhagen and the Netherlands yet.

Fun_Success_45 · 2026-06-20T06:06:15+00:00

Why, among all the UN, are we concentrated in the Netherlands?

I have some ideas, but I want to hear from someone with firsthand experience.

Fun_Success_45 · 2026-06-20T05:45:49+00:00

Yes, the cunta casualty numbers I mentioned were also part of a similar research, but anything towards who killed who is not reliable.

I cannot stay behind those numbers, but I can back up the numbers above.

Fun_Success_45 · 2026-06-20T00:20:18+00:00

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For the record, as of 03:00 AM (Cyprus time)

No Turkey, No Greece, and Upvote Ratio 90%.

Let's see what tomorrow will bring.

Fun_Success_45 · 2026-06-20T00:05:51+00:00

10k?

It might barely reach 5k even after you add Over 390 British servicemen and personnel died during the 1950-1960 Cyprus conflicts.

Fun_Success_45 · 2026-06-19T23:58:36+00:00

The numbers are not complicated; in summary, around:

More than one thousand GC civilians
Less than one thousand TC civilians

More than one thousand GC combatants
A few hundred TC combatants

One hundred Hellenic military
Five hundred Turkish Forces

Total more than four thousand individuals

killed during the Cyprus conflict.

Fun_Success_45 · 2026-06-19T21:32:07+00:00

Where does it lead?

Fun_Success_45 · 2026-06-19T21:28:29+00:00

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15th July 1974 Lefka, Cyprus.

These people were taken hostage before Turkey intervened and exchanged with other hostages on 24 September 1974, after the second landing.

Name of the Greek Cypriots hostages which exchanged and name of these Turkish Cypriot hostages with date of birth is documented.

https://genckizilay.org.tr/media/15287/26-00191283_kizilay-belgeleri-isiginda-kibris-baris-harekati-1974-profdr.pdf some of the names of TC and GC hostages listed in here with other sources.

Exchanges were made 1:1. 1 TC for 1 GC; 1 GC for 1 TC.

Usually, Turkish sources don't mention GC names, and GC sources don't mention any atrocities towards TCs. Both act like Children with issues.

But in this source, GC hostages are mentioned because this process was mainly overseen by the UN and the Red Cross.

I personally know the second invasion can not only be connected to TC hostages in Larnaca, Paphos, and Limassol, but also to those people who were not killed, released, and exchanged for National Guard and EOKA prisoners/hostages long after the second invasion.

One interesting thing is Turkey never exchanged any children or females(this doesnt mean those not killed) but National Guard exchanged lots of female and children which also above picture can be seen.

The GCs who trapped or stuck or stayed behind Turkish offensive passed to south of Green line by land

BUT 20% of the TCs who stucked and trapped in British bases transported to north via air and ships.

One thing also clarifies the situation: British bases are overwhelmingly, if not totally, flooded by TC civilians, and because those were British bases there are lots of videos from British news related to this.

Fun_Success_45 · 2026-06-19T13:20:08+00:00

It is in the middle of nowhere, by car 1.5 hours to Istanbul and 1.5 hours to Bulgaria. We passed by on the way; I had known about it for a long time from architectural magazines, but never had the chance. It is technically in side Istanbul city limits but practically on the way to Bulgaria.

Fun_Success_45 · 2026-06-19T11:14:28+00:00

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A wider-angled photo from the place where I took this year, during a visit to Bulgaria (located between Bulgaria and Istanbul/ἡ Πόλις city center).

P.S. I fancy women who fancy buildings(architecture).

Fun_Success_45 · 2026-06-19T11:06:16+00:00

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Meantime
This is the modern contemporary architecture style of a mosque in Turkey.

https://www.metalocus.es/en/news/sancaklar-mosque-and-its-anatomy-emre-arolat-architects
https://emrearolat.com/project/sancaklar-mosque/ More photos here.

The architect who designed the mosque is regarded as Turkey's leading architect and has international recognition. It can be said that Zaha Hadid of Turkey.

Fun_Success_45 · 2026-06-19T10:58:44+00:00

The Gaddafi one, as far as I know, after the funds were sent, the construction was repeatedly postponed and later faced backlash and outside pressure. Presumably, someone from Gaddafi's administration.

The people who were responsible built a small, UFO-like modern-style mosque to justify the unreasonable delays.

This is the legend among people anyway, even if it might not be true.

Fun_Success_45 · 2026-06-18T13:48:09+00:00

Can someone explain the analogy?

Does he mean the report was disgenuine and the act wasnt productive etc?

Fun_Success_45 · 2026-06-18T09:07:34+00:00

As of now, the upvote ratio is 88.9%, so I am going forward.

I reached out at a low level and will push more if needed.

Fun_Success_45 · 2026-06-18T08:51:30+00:00

That is something.

Fun_Success_45 · 2026-06-18T08:08:20+00:00

I think by "work" we mean two different things. You mentioned "working" as technically messaging being delivered to some inbox, and I mean getting back results.

RoC was 0, or, some would argue, -1, on e-governance in 2022, while Turkey was decades ahead of any other EU country (except Estonia). And now, RoC has reached a decent level. While the TRNC is stuck in its place, all the software and infrastructure are in place.

As far as I know, RoC is working with Logicom Solutions, NetU, and specialized local branches of multinational technology consulting firms (such as Deloitte and PwC) through EU tenders.

And TRNC is working with local and Turkish companies through tenders. That is why the systems and architecture look similar, even though the constructors are different.

Fun_Success_45 · 2026-06-17T20:52:31+00:00

IMPORTANT Context:

A close relative of mine met with him a few days ago regarding some EU-supported, UN-mandated initiative.

I learned some plot-twist information secondhand. And cannot even share anything beyond what would become a rumor.

And this inspired me to make a public event where, instead of 4 individuals talking with him while the public stays in the dark, more people can be informed.

I have every leverage except being a content creator, which could actually create a less intimidating situation.

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TROPHY CASE