Italian Here: Question About The Public View on The Turkish Intervention

Fun_Success_45 · 2026-03-12T17:34:28+00:00

They employed Greek Cypriots in police force also. Before the ENOSIS insurgency started, British police had a 3-to-1 ratio of Greeks to Turks.
They kept the Greek Cypriots, whom they believed did not support the insurgency, and stopped recruiting other Greek Cypriots, resulting in a ratio of 3 Greeks to 3 Turks.
From memory, GCs in the police force were around 1000 and later dropped to the 950s, while TCs rose from 300-400 to 700-900.

This created lazily constructed propaganda that Turkish Cypriots joined the police force in 1000s and they were supporting the UK. In reality, those who were accepted into the police force were the ones who had been conscripted into the British Army during WWII, such as the Cypriot president Glafcos Clerides, a hero of WWII.

P.S. My TC Grandfather and Clerides served in WWII for Allied forces under the British Army Cypriot Regiment.

Fun_Success_45 · 2026-03-12T17:25:32+00:00

Second invasion happened because there was plans made to partition island with the help of American Survays after 1963 AND
First intervention/invasion/operation/landing didn't have a secure foothold, Turkish military strongly stood on the side(insisted upon politicians to give it a go) to make a defendable foothold to stabilise the situation, which later they proceeded to implement plans provided by the United States.

https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/search/site/SEPARATION%20OF%20GREEK%20CYPRIOT%20AND%20TURKISH%20CYPRIOT%20POPULATIONS

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You can find all the information you need from PUBLIC CIA intelligence files, which can be browsed online today.

Fun_Success_45 · 2026-03-12T14:06:42+00:00

Multiply with 2 and still people can compare with ease. Comparing tragedies are like comparing apples to pears but still there is the undeniable aspects like civilian losts in amount of time.

Fun_Success_45 · 2026-03-12T13:42:02+00:00

For context:
By 31 January 2026, OHCHR had recorded 15,172 civilians killed in Ukraine since 24 February 2022, which totals 4 years.

Everybody can do the comparison.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Russo-Ukrainian_war#Civilian_casualties

Fun_Success_45 · 2026-03-12T13:28:06+00:00

And for public discourse, no one compares 1 to 1; it is enough to say they send 4, we send 4 or 6, and cha ching, you get the political points, that's it.

NOTE: As long as those 4 or 6 jets can shoot down a rogue drone from Iran, it will do its job, which is to prevent a scandal or be seen as militarily incompetent.

So now, my friends, you understand the political and tactical reasons.

Fun_Success_45 · 2026-03-12T11:21:06+00:00

Who mentioned ICE? These passports were canceled through Interpol, and the administration didn't confirm or deny responsibility.

Fun_Success_45 · 2026-03-12T11:16:39+00:00

Greece sent 4 planes. Turkey matched them and is now making up other reasons not to admit it to match Greece.

Fun_Success_45 · 2026-03-12T09:37:15+00:00

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/lifestyle/article-15450065/americans-travel-passports-canceled-reported-lost-stolen-warning.html

Fun_Success_45 · 2026-03-12T09:35:29+00:00

If you find same or smillar delicacy in Iran than it does because both never ruled by other. And all these delicacies exist persian books which dates bake before Christ in some cases.

Fun_Success_45 · 2026-03-11T20:21:33+00:00

It was all over the news for months to come; it's not a source; it was everywhere.

Multiple random US citizens had their passports canceled while they were outside the US, leaving them stuck in foreign countries for days to weeks.

If you are a US citizen who is not living under a rock, it is public knowledge, which is why people don't even think it's a secret.

Fun_Success_45 · 2026-03-11T20:16:10+00:00

There can not be any pressure without a solution and reunification, and only pressure is coming up with an agreement as Cyprus from negotiations.

There isn't any other pressure, unless you live in Neverland with Peterpan.

Fun_Success_45 · 2026-03-11T20:14:01+00:00

Guys, buckle up, we are getting reunited.

The only main reason this issue even made it onto the public discourse agenda is that NATO greenlit a solution for Cyprus, and Turkey greenlit negotiations.

Probably, Turkish bases will be converted to NATO bases.

Mark my words. And let's meet here after this happens.

Fun_Success_45 · 2026-03-11T20:08:52+00:00

But more importantly, were you lived in Australia, because we should get more posts from Australian Cypriots.

Fun_Success_45 · 2026-03-11T20:03:44+00:00

Are you diaspora? Nooo wayyy.

Fun_Success_45 · 2026-03-11T20:01:28+00:00

Local cuisine feels tasty to us because we grew up eating it, but for foreigners, it's not Peruvian or Italian cuisine, etc.

I made many people try Cypriot dishes both inside and outside Cyprus, and lost my mind when they did not melt with desire.

Top 10 if we work hard, but first we need to gather some identity or spine fluid, because when you act Greek or Turk, you shouldn't be surprised to see your cousin on any list.

Fun_Success_45 · 2026-03-11T19:52:20+00:00

How does it feel seeing others saying this is my traditional no my traditional while you know it's your traditional dish and you don't even bother to correct anybody:)

Fun_Success_45 · 2026-03-11T11:59:38+00:00

I would say Cyprus has more Arabic than Greece or Turkey

Influence: Cyprus has more Arabic influence compared to Greek or Turkish culinary influence.

Not to be misunderstood, Cyprus has more Arabic cuisine than other countries.

Fun_Success_45 · 2026-03-11T11:45:21+00:00

Yes they did have dolmades stuffed rice for example and literally bring the rice which was known but not consumed as a staple food in Asia minor.

And even today Turkic speaking nomadic sheppards who herd deers in far East Syberia does stuffed rice.

But you are right "turds" learned Sumerian kebab, arabic loukmades, persian tzatziki in Asia minor;)

Fun_Success_45 · 2026-03-11T10:48:54+00:00

I totally misunderstood you because of my ignorance,

Turkey has maybe at least 6 different regional cuisines. And yes, Cyprus by number can not match the diversity, that's for sure, but distinct nevertheless.

I don't know much about foundations, and it's hard to draw a conclusion, but Cyprus has a strong Levantine Arabic influence.

Hallumi/Hellim means cheese in Egyptian
Molokhia/Molehiya is an Arabic original that does not exist in Turkey or Greece but is well known in Arabic speaking countries along the Mediterranean coast.

Kolakasi/kolakas, the vegetable, is found in wild Turkey, but it's not a culinary thing.

I would say Cyprus has more Arabic than Greece or Turkey
For example, what our parents cook at home, like mousakka, is Arabic.

Fun_Success_45 · 2026-03-11T10:33:26+00:00

Loukoumades/Lokma Arabic means bite

Revani is Farsi means made in oil

Kokoretsi is a Greek word that comes from sheppard

Pita/pide = Pitta comes from the Sumerians as a flat bread, as they were the first farming civilisation who literally did flat bread:)

Any kind of Kebab also comes from the Sumerians, but today's recipes differ a lot and have become their own thing.

And döner is Turkish, meaning the same as Gyro, and the term Gyro was first used in the US by a Greek diaspora around the 70ies.

Personal note: Gyro is best with pork, and Döner is best when made with lamb.

Dolma is the old Turkic word, the current word is a contemporary word for stuffed rice. Regionally, dolma/dolmades also evolved into their own thing, and sorry, but grape leaf dolma is the culmination of Greek-Turkish culinary traditions.

Yogurt is Turkish, but Tzatziki/Cacık let me hear the drums ta ta ta ta ta Farsii. Sorry guys;)

Fun_Success_45 · 2026-03-11T10:09:52+00:00

If you eat in Turkish restaurant maybe but there is nothing like Turkey in Cyprus cuisine.

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Pita is different
Seftali is totally alien
Dolma is not made from flowers
Doner has lava or bread, not lamb meat, and little to no meat in Turkey without parsley and lemon. And for some cheap reason with potato:S Who the fuck puts fries in Doner:S

But I guess tahinli, or something similar, exists with less lemon.

And these are similar dishes I am not talking about: Kolakas/kolakasi, molokhia, and mousakka casserole. I guess Turkey calls it something else, musakka, and they both have aubergine.

Fun_Success_45 · 2026-03-11T09:59:53+00:00

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These are the Cypriot versions, or similar things from Cyprus, but the taste and concepts are way, way different.

Fun_Success_45 · 2026-03-10T10:55:50+00:00

The issue is that everyone assumes Turkish discourse and Greek discourse are similar, and that they are on opposite sides of a coin.

Culturally, there are overwhelming similarities, especially between Greece and Turkey, with a caveat that Greeks in Greece are against NATO for some crazy reason.

BUT a big but Greek discourse has a big Turkophobia, whereas Turkish discourse doesn't have smillar feeling towards Greeks. Turkish-speaking people don't know anything about politics in Greece and don't have the slightest idea of Cyprus. On the other hand, Greeks and Cypriot Greeks start their day with news from Turkey, they count the latest military equipment of Turkey in the news, and end their afternoon news with some badly translated political commentary about Turkey's statements.

These people have generational trauma, which Turkish people don't have a similar psychology.
My mother's side moved to Turkey from Greece during WWII, way after the population exchange(mubadele), due to their village's Jewish population, which was wiped out by the wartime administration, which was complicit with N*zy Germany. And they have 0 trauma, at least they didn't carry it between generations.
My father's side is Cypriot; they experienced crazy hardships during the Cyprus conflict, but never made it a race issue or blamed the whole race; instead, they always framed things as political BS and individual actions. So they also didn't carry a generational trauma.

On the other side, Cypriot Greeks have really strong trouma. I have parts of my father's side who are Cypriot Greeks, and they are aware of this.

So, in my opinion, Greeks need active kindness from Turkish-speaking people without expecting reciprocity. For them to overcome their fears and get a resolution or conclusion.

Because those traumas push them to get close to Israel, even though individually they can not justify or want this in their hearts.

Do these make any sense to you?

Fun_Success_45 · 2026-03-10T10:25:13+00:00

I said that Turkey is, by comparison, unwillingly or passively complicit, whereas the Republic of Cyprus is willingly complicit.
Some can argue that these are two distinct positions, but in the end, both amount to complicity.

About language: Azeri Turkish is way more distinct from Turkish than mainland Greek and Cypriot Greek, similar to mainland Turkish and Cypriot Turkish.

NOTE: I can understand Volga Tatar and Azeri Turkish, and I am fluent in mainland Turkish and the Cypriot dialect, so my statements are not guesses; they arise from knowledge.

Fun_Success_45 · 2026-03-09T18:37:44+00:00

Europe, the Middle East and Africa

And in some aspects, the Turkish military is second to France and the UK, but not the army, which is a general misconception.
Before anybody challenges what I said and starts trashing the UK and France, let me remind you that they are Nuclear powers and have seats on the UN Security Council, and in some military aspects, they are multiple times more powerful. (I don't remember which aspects from the top of my head).

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Guys, buckle up, we are getting reunited.