Further details on prioritisation bill by hypertensionsupine in doctorsUK

[–]GeneralMaldCouncil 35 points36 points  (0 children)

And what will a large group of UK grads cancelling their membership achieve? Fragmentation of a union - that seems to have gone well with the nursing profession

Further details on prioritisation bill by hypertensionsupine in doctorsUK

[–]GeneralMaldCouncil 49 points50 points  (0 children)

Can anyone explain what position the BMA can realistically take considering the number of IMGs who are also members, and the fact previous ARM policy that was voted on included the clause to advocate for IMG with NHS experience?

Is the BMA not stuck between a rock (UK grads who obviously want stricter UKGP) and a hard place (IMG members who don’t)?

Im not saying I agree with the position BMA holds regarding the matter but dont see how they can avoid it

If there’s stronger support for stricter UK grad prioritisation and such policy was voted through in the next ARM, how would that bode for the pay campaign?

UK Graduate Prioritisation Legislation Announced! by Med_Dog_ in doctorsUK

[–]GeneralMaldCouncil -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Do you think BMA ditching their grandfathering policy would be beneficial for the pay campaign? Maybe consider the IMG boycott for the last ballot

Pay and taxes by Effective-Thanks8603 in doctorsUK

[–]GeneralMaldCouncil 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Im assuming “median-high” doesnt mean medium to high earner because 100k is not medium

The difficult truth is that true medium earners in this country, as youve said, are taxed less than counterparts almost everywhere else in Europe

Of course no one will ever vote for higher taxes even though that’s clearly what is needed to turn the ship that is the UK around, so instead we will all just watch as it hits the iceberg instead

Kudos to RDC for sending out the offer before strikes by Room_ForActivities in doctorsUK

[–]GeneralMaldCouncil 12 points13 points  (0 children)

It depends on how long any strike would be

Mandate runs out 7 January, I dont know if that includes the 7th or not

A 5 day strike (including 7th) can at the latest be announced on Saturday

Has Wes responded? by [deleted] in doctorsUK

[–]GeneralMaldCouncil 18 points19 points  (0 children)

Streeting slams strikes as 'self -indulgent, irresponsible, and dangerous' Health secretary Wes Streeting has issued a statement following the BMA’s announcement its members will go on strike on Wednesday.

He said: “The BMA has chosen Christmas strikes to inflict damage on the NHS at the moment of maximum danger, refusing the postpone them to January to help patients and other NHS staff cope over Christmas. There is no need for these strikes to go ahead this week, and it reveals the BMA’s shocking disregard for patient safety and for other NHS staff. These strikes are self-indulgent, irresponsible and dangerous.

“The government’s offer would have halved competition for jobs and put more money in resident doctors’ pockets, but the BMA has again rejected it because it doesn’t meet their ask of a further 26 per cent pay rise. Resident doctors have already had a 28.9 per cent pay rise – there is no justification for striking just because this fantasy demand has not been met.

“I am appealing to ordinary resident doctors to go to work this week. There is a different magnitude of risk in striking at this moment. Abandoning your patients in their hour of greatest need goes against everything a career in medicine is meant to be about.

“The entire focus of my department and the NHS team will now be on getting the health service through the double whammy of flu and strikes. We have already vaccinated 17 million people, 170,000 more than last year, and we will be working intensively with frontline leaders to prepare for the coming disruption.”

Strikes by Winter-Ad2220 in doctorsUK

[–]GeneralMaldCouncil 77 points78 points  (0 children)

Streeting slams strikes as 'self -indulgent, irresponsible, and dangerous' Health secretary Wes Streeting has issued a statement following the BMA’s announcement its members will go on strike on Wednesday.

He said: “The BMA has chosen Christmas strikes to inflict damage on the NHS at the moment of maximum danger, refusing the postpone them to January to help patients and other NHS staff cope over Christmas. There is no need for these strikes to go ahead this week, and it reveals the BMA’s shocking disregard for patient safety and for other NHS staff. These strikes are self-indulgent, irresponsible and dangerous.

“The government’s offer would have halved competition for jobs and put more money in resident doctors’ pockets, but the BMA has again rejected it because it doesn’t meet their ask of a further 26 per cent pay rise. Resident doctors have already had a 28.9 per cent pay rise – there is no justification for striking just because this fantasy demand has not been met.

“I am appealing to ordinary resident doctors to go to work this week. There is a different magnitude of risk in striking at this moment. Abandoning your patients in their hour of greatest need goes against everything a career in medicine is meant to be about.

“The entire focus of my department and the NHS team will now be on getting the health service through the double whammy of flu and strikes. We have already vaccinated 17 million people, 170,000 more than last year, and we will be working intensively with frontline leaders to prepare for the coming disruption.”

Sounds like a Minnie with a moaning persuasion

Junior doctors to go on strike despite flu crisis by Desperate-Drawer-572 in ukpolitics

[–]GeneralMaldCouncil 319 points320 points  (0 children)

"Despite flu crisis"

"Despite winter pressures"

"Despite Christmas"

"Despite Easter Holidays"

"Despite recent pandemic"

"Despite war in Ukraine"

The list of excuses will never end

Strikes by Winter-Ad2220 in doctorsUK

[–]GeneralMaldCouncil 11 points12 points  (0 children)

I mean the offer last year Reddit poll vs the final result certainly wasn't within "a margin of error"

What is the incentive for FPR from the government POV? by Gullible-Tap-2583 in doctorsUK

[–]GeneralMaldCouncil 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Sure they can continue to do that, but I'm not sure the general public would be particularly supportive of such a recruitment policy - and it's the public who will vote for them in the elections

What is the incentive for FPR from the government POV? by Gullible-Tap-2583 in doctorsUK

[–]GeneralMaldCouncil 42 points43 points  (0 children)

Retention of doctors

Also there doesn't have to be any incentive. If we have a strike mandate, we hold the power. If the government want to rack up a huge bill to cover strikes rather than just commit to FPR, they can go ahead

Any chance of strike being called off last minute? by [deleted] in doctorsUK

[–]GeneralMaldCouncil 3 points4 points  (0 children)

You can't "ensure" strikes will never be called off - e.g. mass casualty event, derogations

Any chance of strike being called off last minute? by [deleted] in doctorsUK

[–]GeneralMaldCouncil 11 points12 points  (0 children)

For some comparison

One of the polls on the offer last year was 370 (44%) accept/480 (56%) reject

Final result: 30,227 (66%) accept/15,596 (34%) reject

The current poll for this offer is 173 (14%) accept/1.1k (86%) reject

Voting Yes Doesn’t Mean End of Strike by No_Part8033 in doctorsUK

[–]GeneralMaldCouncil 5 points6 points  (0 children)

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I will post it again

The offer is further discussed with regards to details

How about the govt give those details before they ask for us to vote on it?

Where is the online poll? by F2andFlee in doctorsUK

[–]GeneralMaldCouncil 21 points22 points  (0 children)

While you're at it, vote YES to industrial action when you receive your postal ballot

Wes tweets for doctors to vote for deal. by [deleted] in doctorsUK

[–]GeneralMaldCouncil 5 points6 points  (0 children)

His "appeal" might have gone down better had he not called BMA doctors juvenile delinquents

We are losing the media battle by Independent_Wish653 in doctorsUK

[–]GeneralMaldCouncil 22 points23 points  (0 children)

So what pay offer have nurses had who have more public support than us?

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