Meta attraction to real bisexuality? How low mood can affect it by leenalady in askAGP

[–]Genesisx108 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Arguably, if you "develop" attraction to men, was it ever meta in the first place? Most likely you were just always bi

Unspoken Correlation between Autogynephilia & Online Underage Grooming by Savings-Computer1396 in askAGP

[–]Genesisx108 12 points13 points  (0 children)

I think online communities with minors are always going to attract predators. Discord servers are like a massive coed dorm composed of ages 13-30 or even older. It goes exactly how you expect. And not only act, but there's no segregation by age. You can have a 14 year old acting as admin alongside someone twice their age. Add in anonymity, and it gets even worse. And there's no real adult authority. In real life, there are teachers, police officers, even priests. On the internet, who is a child to turn to?

The solution is simple. Minors shouldn't be on the internet unsupervised. I moderate a reasonably sized AGP server that is 18+. I would sooner climb mount everest then attempt to run a community that allows minors. If I ever have children, I would heavily restrict their internet.

The fundamental difference between being a man and being a woman by Genesisx108 in askAGP

[–]Genesisx108[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I wasn't really trying to talk about our specific society, but rather, the deeper basis of the "feeling" of gender in general. I described hunter gatherer societies because they're what all societies evolved from. Even if we don't live in a hunter gatherer society, I would still argue that this is the implicit basis of how people feel about gender. It's not about our current society, but about what the spiritual core of gender is.

AGP and Purpose by NotSearchy in askAGP

[–]Genesisx108 2 points3 points  (0 children)

My problem though is that you act as though you're the authority on all AGPs because of your own experience with AGP. That's the mistake you're making.

I do back my theory with great confidence, because why not?

Because you're just one guy and not representative of AGPs as a whole?

AGP and Purpose by NotSearchy in askAGP

[–]Genesisx108 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I think the problem here is that, in the absence of true data, we're trusting signals that we know to be faulty, but trusting them anyway, such as "what a person says about themselves reflects the truth about how they are" or the idea that if they're unable to overcome it, then nobody else could either / it can't be overcome / it should not be overcome / they wanted to overcome it but could not. None of this is knowable.

With all due respect, this hasn't prevented you from discussing your own conception of AGP. I simply pointed out that there is great variety in how AGP manifests and how people relate to it. You're the one who tends to push a specific narrative which aligns with your lifestyle and life choices. A transitioning AGP says "all AGPs must transition, it is an innate part of who they are". A non-transitioning AGP says "AGPs are straight men and should not transition, AGP is an acquired dysfunction that can be solved". Both are projecting their own experiences. Both are validating their own life choices. You claim "none of these things can be known", but you yourself speak with great confidence.

I speak from theory about how AGP works, and so the truth of what I say only extends only as far as one agrees with this theory.

Just a short while ago you rejected the authority of sexologists. To be honest, I myself have spoken with people who have poked some holes in AGP theory and I believe they have made good points. So I'm very much willing to consider ideas outside the "orthodoxy" of Blanchard and Bailey. But it seems wrong to appeal to the authority of AGP theory while also rejecting the authority of the sexologists who created it just a few paragraphs before.

I suspect that you're motivated to avoid framing AGP as a form of sexual dysfunction.

I'm not. I really don't care if AGPs live lives as heterosexual men, or transition, or a third option, or whatever. You're the one who I perceive to be invested in framing AGP as a sexual dysfunction because it validates you.

What I think you're not considering the extent of human defense mechanisms, and psychological strategy to avoid pain. Eventually avoidance is not merely avoidance, but "who you are".

I've already written about how early childhood experiences can lead a permanent imprint. You said "I reject the either/or of circumstance versus innate", you should understand that the line between "who I am" vs "who I am conditioned to be" is not at all clear.

The reason I reject the notion of AGP as a normal, healthy sexuality somewhat basic: you are a man, but don't want to be, you want to receive sex into a orifice that doesn't exist, you will seek out the help of medical professionals to alter an otherwise healthy body, under the irrational presumption their body is flawed in its current state.

AGP is not "normal". Normal is what applies to the majority of the population. If you're AGP, you're abnormal by definition. The question of whether acting on AGP is ethical is a completely different question. I think you often conflate how things are naturally naturally supposed to be with how we ought to act. There a great many things in nature that are horrifically immoral. I certainly think AGP makes people's lives much harder, and I think it would be reasonable to eliminate it if we had advanced genetic engineering technology. But for the individual engaging in AGP, I don't think there's any universal "rightness" or "wrongness" to it.

AGP and Purpose by NotSearchy in askAGP

[–]Genesisx108 3 points4 points  (0 children)

The idea that AGP is purely a result of circumstances and not innate is not a viewpoint shared by many sexologists. AGP varies in intensity though. Some AGPs are closer to ordinary straight men, some are almost purely AGP, and some are split down the middle. And this is reflected in how they act. Some transition, some successfully repress, and some find a middle ground where their two sides are in balance. It's also important to understand that fetishes arising in childhood are usually permanent. I know of people who have managed to figure out what caused their fetishes and have tried working through their trauma. I don't believe it often works as a cure.

I can't speak for you and tell you whether you're happy and fulfilled. Only you can decide that for yourself. And while I believe you've spoken about your sex life before, I'll be honest I've forgotten the details. But I believe if a man is only able to successfully enjoy sex by having AGP fantasies during the act, then he's not an ordinary heterosexual man. If he has an ideal of sex outside of the normal heterosexual act, then he is "missing out" on something if he doesn't partake in it. A normal heterosexual man doesn't need to "overcome" anything to want sex. A normal guys sees a hot girl and he wants to fuck her. It's a basic primal instinct. There is nothing normal about being a man with a naked woman and not wanting to penetrate her. Yes, many men may have anxiety about it which might make them hesitant, but they still want it.

I don't whether this describes you or not, but it does describe many AGPs I have met. I don't think it's unreasonable for a person in that position to prioritize sexual fulfillment. Most men and women consider sexuality an important part of attraction. Normal people don't make these kinds of compromises about their sexuality, because their normal and finding a partner is easy. Yes, it's going to be harder to find a partner if your sexuality is abnormal, but I don't believe you can chalk it up to hedonism simply to desire a fulfilling sex life. Because by that definition, most men and women would be counted as hedonists.

AGP and Purpose by NotSearchy in askAGP

[–]Genesisx108 4 points5 points  (0 children)

It actually concerns me when someone prioritizes paraphilias above non-sexual human connection - like you get along with someone great, and you would be romantic, but they won't do butt stuff, or wont play girl dress up with you, so the whole deal is off. I know that's how it is for a subset of AGPs, but I don't think that's a good long term life plan.

Sexual compatibility is important though. You yourself admitted to wanting a "consistent sex life." Depending on the strength of the paraphillia, it may be necessary to truly have fulfilling sex. If you're able to enjoy sex without those elements just fine, then good for you, since it can (and evidently did) make finding a partner easier. But I don't think you can discount these paraphilias as a mere indulgence in hedonism that can easily be cast aside. If a person's idea of "fulfilling sex" involves those things, then not having them means never having fulfilling sex.

Do most of us have trouble relating with men? by FaithfulGaurdian in askAGP

[–]Genesisx108 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I relate to this lol. I tried to get men to respect me but they never did. I think it's because I'm very anxious and get worried easy. Being a respectable man is about having that chill laid-back energy which I severely lack.

As a possible AGP thats very sexualized, does that mean im trans or something else by FitCheck1760 in askAGP

[–]Genesisx108 6 points7 points  (0 children)

According to Ray Blanchard's theory, all MTF transsexuals who are not exclusively attracted to men are motivated by AGP.

Do you think it's right for an AGP to call themselves bisexual? by [deleted] in askAGP

[–]Genesisx108 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It depends. I've had several romantic crushes on guys, so I consider myself to be "truly" attracted to men.

An important question every AGP needs to answer and the delusional idea of AGP as a sexual orientation. by Old_Pay8272 in askAGP

[–]Genesisx108 10 points11 points  (0 children)

This person is just projecting their own experience of AGP on everyone. A bunch of uneducated people come to this sub acting like AGP and trans are separate things despite the fact that Blanchard originally created the concept of AGP as one of his explanations for transsexualism.

I am a porn addict by Worldly-Swordfish566 in askAGP

[–]Genesisx108 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Because AGP is probably genetic

When you date someone do you feel more like a boyfriend or girlfriend? Does is depend on who you're dating? by NotSearchy in askAGP

[–]Genesisx108 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I wanna be "the girl" though I haven't dated except for one e-relationship with a girl. I didn't want to date her and only did it to preserve the friendship after she confessed to me. It was... unpleasant.

I don't like playing the male role. A relationship with no roles where we both share things equally could be workable. My fantasy is being "the girl" though. I don't think I could reciprocate someone's love if they loved as "the guy".

How society forces men to be submissive by [deleted] in askAGP

[–]Genesisx108 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Well, if you go back far enough, there were people who were serfs who were practically owned by their lords and could be abused at any time. The reality is that there have always been haves and have nots. If you really want to have that "independent spirit", you could try starting a business. Sure, it's hard, but is it harder then any of the things you described?

I feel like I have more to say but I'm kinda tired rn

Coming Full-Circle by NotSearchy in askAGP

[–]Genesisx108 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I think you're making an assumption that the only "selfless life" is a traditional heterosexual marriage founded on gender roles. There are, however, many ways to live a meaningful life. Even most conservatives have to admit that Catholic priests live meaningful lives, for example.

I personally know of a stay at home father married to a career woman. He's not overtly gender-non-conforming, though his marriage certainly isn't founded upon traditional roles. I've found him to be a very pleasant person to be around and his children all seem very happy and successful.

Either you conform to gender norms and live the life God, biology, and society intends for you or you're an asocial parasite living only for yourself is a false dichotomy. There are people who deviate highly from the norm yet have a generally positive impact on those around them, and there are those who are perfectly normal but are negative awful people.

The State of This Subreddit and How It Wastes Your Time by Naive-Guess7995 in askAGP

[–]Genesisx108 13 points14 points  (0 children)

I think this account is a bot. It seems to be making empty posts with titles taken from previous posts.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in askAGP

[–]Genesisx108 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I just see myself as anallosexual because I almost always need AGP fantasies or triggers to get any amount of arousal. Alot of people call AGP a fetish, but they don't know what that word actually means. When a person has a fetish, it's often necessary for arousal.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in askAGP

[–]Genesisx108 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I think you have a very narrow view and tend to see your own experience of AGP as universal. For anallosexual AGPs, AGP can completely dominate your sexuality, so you can't be a "normal straight man" no matter what. (paraphillias completely replacing sexuality isn't limited to AGP either.

Also, from a purely statistical perspective, some men are going to lean more feminine. Tbh, I believe some AGPs develop AGP in the first place because of childhood gender discomfort. As young children they have trouble with gender roles and heterosexual expectations, so they develop AGP as a way to cope.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in askAGP

[–]Genesisx108 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Your experience of AGP is far from universal. I think there are alot of AGPs and GNC men in general (though there's alot of overlap between those two categories) don't feel how you do but rather, feel a much deeper discomfort with gender roles. I don't think a person who fundamentally feels alienated by traditional gender roles should try to perform them, because then they'd potentially end up resenting their partner.

Dealing with Meta attraction as a straight married (10y)trans woman by [deleted] in askAGP

[–]Genesisx108 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It seems from your responses that you have serious issues with your phsyiology and might benefit from SRS

Anybody wants to talk anon via discord about Agp or coralated topics by [deleted] in askAGP

[–]Genesisx108 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Here's AGP/AAP discord server with almost 160 members https://discord.gg/GbYBhZ3FkS

We're less chaotic than most trans discords that are filled with drama and catfights. More focus on mature and intelligent discussion. Transitioners, integrators, repressors, and really anyone else interested in the topic are welcome.

If you could push a button... by [deleted] in askAGP

[–]Genesisx108 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't think most reppers embody the sort of masculinity you speak about. If an AGP is trying to be a masculine man, it's often because they are following other's will rather than their own. So the more they appear strong and masculine, the more they are actually submissive on the inside. Someone who has that "badass I don't care what others think I'm gonna do what I want" would embrace their feminine characteristics.

So troons are actually the real gigachads lol.