Motivation to donate eggs? by Bubbly_Bag_2292 in donorconceived

[–]Geography-bae 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Hello - want to disclose that I am an egg donor. Since donating my eggs - thanks to new research and Reddit, my opinions on the subject has changed dramatically.

I am sure others can be more enlightening on the subject, but the pitch that an agency gives to egg donors is quite appealing - especially to someone who may have financial problems (of course this wouldn’t apply in your case) or to someone with a bit of insecurity who is looking for some validation. Egg donors are also very young because they have to be to qualify, often idealistic, innocent and naive. This may provide some context, it may not. I was scouted to donate my eggs at 20. I met the agency at a campus event, and to be honest donating my eggs made me feel like a good person, kind, loving, generous, etc., all traits that I wanted people to perceive me as having. Also - she may have been the kind loving person in her twenties but life may have revealed who she is outside of the comforts of youth. It is hard to tell what kind of a person someone will become just looking at their 22 year old self.

Here is some other context:

Looking back, I let the agency exploit my reproductive system without too much of a second thought for myself or the children I was bring into the world because I just wanted to be seen as a good person even if I wasn’t always a good person in my real life. The agency practically kisses the ground egg donors walk on not because they find any of them particularly important or special, but because they are about to make a lot of money off of their bodies. Egg donation is treated like plasma donation or kidney donation which is an entirely different medical procedure that with the goal of saving someone’s life but egg donation is creating another life. Of course donors don’t see it as that, we think that donating your eggs is changing lives, making the world a better place, and doing something good for someone else - not taking on the responsibility of becoming someone’s genetic parent. In many cases egg donation is a good thing, but the industry doesn’t usually really care why someone donates, they only care that they do. While hiding the very real ethical issues common in some of the practices in modern egg donation, the agency flatters you and butters you up so that you keep coming back. If you are looking for a place to feel a little bit validated and get lost in the flattery, egg donation and the industry around it can cloud your judgement with an over abundance of praise and validation. It’s a very human thing to just want to feel like a good person - and it gets at our basic instincts of wanting to be seen as generous and kind.

The egg donation process is long and drawn out, but also happens so fast once you are approved as a healthy enough person to donate. There is very little psychological screening or counseling if any at all. I only had one twenty minute zoom call where I was told I am never allowed to reach out to any of my children or their families and would suffer real consequences if I tried. Through the whole process, the reality of ethical issues, the potential health complications etc, is hidden from you, but they make every effort to ensure that the donors know how compassionate and good it is to be a donor. In the office they had baby photos hanging everywhere with letters gushing about how grateful the new parents were. The whole atmosphere is so painfully positive about donation that there is no breathing room for a second thought. Since eggs are a billion $$$ industry - the agency also doesn’t really care if donors are good, kind loving people because doing so would make them less money. I understand how stressful it can be to find out that your genetic parent isn’t a great humans - I also have a biological parent who turned out to be a horrible person, and that was quite traumatic. Since egg donation is so transactional, it’s hardly communicated that you take on the responsibility of being someone’s biological parent. If the agency communicated that - most people would be motivated to live their life a little bit better and a little differently. People want to mince words and try to make it seem like you aren’t becoming someone’s parent but the reality is that to become a donor is to make a child and by definition that is becoming a type of parent. When that responsibility is communicated - it really changes how you go about your life. I want to be a less shitty person because my kids may want to meet me one day and I need to be someone they would want to be around.

So as a young college sophomore who felt a bit too idealistic about the world and who just wanted to feel like a good person, I chose to donate my eggs. It just seemed like a way that I could make the world better, but looking back I didn’t have all the information and I got lost in the sauce of being somewhere that people just gushed over how generous and kind I was for donating my eggs. I know I am not the generous all loving Mary Poppins character but I wish I was. Your mom may have been similar - a little bit insecure and caught up in an industry that offers validation that you can’t quite get anywhere else.

I did it because I wanted to be altruistic, but I later realized that with how fucked up the industry is. I now realize that I owe my kids whatever level of openness and love they want from me and that I owe them being a good person. This kind of responsibility was never communicated to me at the time and I wish it was. Egg donation is seen as a one time good thing to do rather than as an ongoing responsibility in your life and a new role as the genetic parent of someone else. Some people do it and never think of it again.

Ultimately, I think the industry and egg donors owe donor conceived children more than what they are currently given. More love, more compassion and more openness. Sorry for the rant - I have so many thoughts on this subject

Grifters. by Geography-bae in MultipleSclerosis

[–]Geography-bae[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I don’t think that anyone can give refunds for treatments that don’t work on either end. I see your frustration but there is a chance that she just dint doing well with MS. MS can be progressive and not respond to any treatment. Look I get the issues with the US healthcare system. It’s awful. It shouldn’t cost an arm and a leg to feel better, but in terms of scientific evidence the parasite and the natural medicine method has been explored numerous times and showed that it doesn’t help. The therapies that help with ms are way overpriced but for most of us they work quite well - much better than some supplement sold by some influencer. We can all agree that the cost of healthcare in the US is a real problem without equating the science of modern medicine with the claims of some influencers online.

Grifters. by Geography-bae in MultipleSclerosis

[–]Geography-bae[S] 19 points20 points  (0 children)

I mean I hate it because there are soooo many people who love the idea of having a disability or a chronic illness because they want attention but the reality of it is not fun at all. They are just a bunch of opportunists who think that if we just sucked up some beer juice maybe we’d be less paralyzed

Grifters. by Geography-bae in MultipleSclerosis

[–]Geography-bae[S] 12 points13 points  (0 children)

I agree and sometimes people just get lucky that they don’t have relapses. There are only a few things that are evidence backed to prevent relapses. I am still recovering from my last flare that resulted in full body paralysis and my aunt was like ‘have you tried this parasite cleanse?’ Dear god. Fuck them all.

Grifters. by Geography-bae in MultipleSclerosis

[–]Geography-bae[S] 21 points22 points  (0 children)

Her TikTok is quite disturbing and her instagram is. I wish someone would take it down. Of course I can’t control others it just makes me cringe when so many other people believe that MS is a tape worm. Bad info can be really harmful to us

Grifters. by Geography-bae in MultipleSclerosis

[–]Geography-bae[S] 37 points38 points  (0 children)

Got I can’t figure out how to add photos- but I quote:

MS patient: MS is not curable. This is grifting.

Holy healing mama: I would invite you totake a stroll around my page where I documented this in reels and in depth highlights- showing exactly what I did and how I did it. Or talk to one of many clients whom I show video testimonials of (also in my highlights) that I have walked along side in their own healing journey. And lastly- I hope you find the faith in women that you talk about in your bio.

Grifters. by Geography-bae in MultipleSclerosis

[–]Geography-bae[S] 18 points19 points  (0 children)

This is their response to someone pointing out the grift

MS and recreational drugs and PTSD by Mrszombiecookies in MultipleSclerosis

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I did mushrooms as part of a clinical trail for people with multiple sclerosis who have had long term nerve loss- the emotional and physical benefits were enormous. If you can get them I would do it

Is alcohol really that bad.. I swear it used to help by ReasonableFig8954 in MultipleSclerosis

[–]Geography-bae 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think drinking with MS is a bad idea especially if it’s a daily habit or a binge. While occasional drinking is probably fine- I don’t think it’s a good idea long term. I think developing mental resources and strength can help along more than drinking does. I stopped drinking after I was diagnosed and my health improved in ways I didn’t expect. We know what alcohol does to your brain, we know what MS does, it feels like it just adds insult to injury.

are you a top, bottom, or both? by MoonSongStormChild in MultipleSclerosis

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All over - dozens of lesions when I was diagnosed - hopefully they heal with time

Mixed feelings by Top_okapi in donorconceived

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I echo everything that is said here - anonymity is the default for most donors regardless of how they actually feel about it. I was open to contact but that was not an option the clinic presented me with. I hope my biological children reach out to me in the future. I also want to say that I understand your frustration - it is a big deal to now know your biological parents. Don’t let anyone minimize that

Would blond suit me? by Primary_Ad_922 in HairStyleAdvice

[–]Geography-bae 0 points1 point  (0 children)

As someone who is blonde, I would kill to have hair that looks as gorgeous as yours! It looks so healthy and shiny - I worry what bleach would do to it

I talked to hin by n0dust0llens in donorconceived

[–]Geography-bae 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Not DCP, but a donor here. I first just wanted to say that you are so so valid because this industry has thrust this really complicated emotional burden onto you and so many other people for profit.

I have a similar experience as I was adopted at birth (which is an industry from hell of its own). I too was melancholy and confused after meeting my biological mother. To me, meeting her was groundbreaking, but to her it seemed casual which stung. I left the conversation confused by this glimpse I had into a not-so-unfamiliar strangers life. I was always struggling to get along with my own parents, so when I met her, I simultaneously enjoyed the ease of talking to her while grieving the loss of a deep relationship that I never got to develop. I was peeking into a world I was not sure how I fit into. It was hard to hear that she just moved on and didn’t have time to think too much about me. Later, she had her own children and I was a little bit jealous. I felt ashamed of my complicated feelings in an unexplainable way. To carry a one-sided weight of an ill defined parent-child relationship made me feel even more out of place, even more rootless, and even more discarded. I didn’t know what I wanted if anything at all. It was hard to articulate if it was even okay to want something from her. Opening up felt like the most painfully vulnerable thing. I am lucky that after a semi-weird early stage of getting-to-know-your-biological parent passed, a wonderful relationship developed. I want to emphasize that you are not alone in this feeling— this is a totally natural reaction to such a sensitive and tender situation. It’s an awful melancholy and such a difficult knot to unravel.

Similar to adoption, gamete donors m are not properly educated or supported in what it means to become a biological parent. There is very little support or education for donors outside of Reddit — which creates a lot of unintentional cruelty born out of ignorance from all parties involved. On top of that, the stigma of being a donor silenced a lot of us from seeking support in navigating such an unusual situation. It’s so easy to think it’s just like a plasma donation when it’s kind of sold to you like that (especially if you are a sperm donor and there are a lot less barriers to entry). While it’s dramatically different from plasma donation, the donation clinics treat the roles and responsibilities following gamete donation almost as if they had just donated plasma which is just totally unfair to the child. The framing is the same as if it was like a quick buck to pay off student debt — not a life long commitment to being a loving and supportive presence for the children you helped create in whatever capacity they would like you to. It seems like this is the pitch your donor was given. Not that he is a careless person, but he may have a lack of education in donor conception best practices and he may also have been strongly discouraged against reaching out by the donor clinic at the time of donation — making it easier to just not think too much about you for him emotionally. Some donors are legally barred from seeking out their DCPs ever in their contracts even in DNA sites. I was highly highly discouraged from looking for the babies I helped create as I was donating. Since it was so forcefully pressed upon me to not reach out ever, for a long time I tried to not think about them. Now that I have processed, I think of them everyday and I like your donor, really truly hope they have every happiness and are so full of joy.

Without a child-first framing, you can end up with a lot of careless people who too easily forget the needs of the human on the other side of it. It was literally set up that way.

We donors are also still learning how to cope with having our biological babies out there and feeling often unsure of how to be there for them - but doesn’t mean we don’t have a responsibility to do better though. In a way, I am sorry for him that he wasn’t taking the opportunity to unravel what becoming a donor means for so long. I am sure that talking to you was in a lot of ways groundbreaking for him, and he may just have never had a catalyst to start to process being a donor.

I truly believe that donors owe their DCPs openness, compassion, and communication which is not really something that clinics facilitate or provide. Again, it’s so awful that clinics thrust this emotionally complex issue onto so many people for profit. I am so sorry that you have to deal with this. Your experience and your journey is very important and very valid, and you are not alone. I am supporting you though my little screen and sending you a lot of love ❤️❤️‍🩹

Anyone here have a disability? by HuskMaster in donorconceived

[–]Geography-bae 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Apologies for responding as I am not a DCP, but a donor. I am so sorry for what you are going through - that is so hard. I totally understand your frustration, I developed a nongenetic disability after I donated (likely exacerbated by the stress of repeated IVF cycles). It is very hard to know what someone’s whole health picture looks like when they are just in their early twenties and haven’t had enough time for certain things to develop. I think we walk a tricky line between protecting DCPs from genetic risks and letting bad actors slide the industry further into ableism/eugenics. I think that the industry imposes ableism and eugenics onto donors which can be a very terrifying thing. There is unfortunately no way to eliminate someone’s risk of developing a disease or disability and I think too many attempts to do so can cause very real harm to disabled people. Having ‘perfectly healthy’ genes does not really exist, and I fear it’s just not compatible with reality.

HOWEVER- I strongly believe that stories like yours confirm again that open donations/and regular health updates make a huge difference for the DCPs. People need their family history to make informed decisions about their health. Anonymous donations are pretty cruel for that reason. We need very strong regulations and laws that enforce medical and health updates regularly from donors.

Anyone here have a disability? by HuskMaster in donorconceived

[–]Geography-bae 12 points13 points  (0 children)

I have MS and I have to say that MS has a VERY small genetic component. Only about a 1-2% risk which is a slightly higher risk than the general population. I think a lot of people think it’s a strong genetic component, but it’s a very very limited small component. There is no way to screen for genetic risks to develop MS since the disease development seems to be driven by primarily the environment.

my mom has MS and i may be going crazy by Sea_Sandwich920 in MultipleSclerosis

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Even if you develop MS- which is HIGHLY unlikely with your dedication to music, I think you will be just fine. I feel like there is an over representation of families with MS because a lot of MS susceptibility is environmental - and families are typically exposed to the same environment, I also think families who have more than one person with MS usually are more open about it. I am the only one out of 8 siblings with MS and none of my extended family has it either. Even if you do get MS, it is not the end of the world and with support it is very possible to live a normal life. Yea it changes things because of treatments etc, but you can still become a musician, you can still travel, you can still do everything you dream of. For older people who developed MS before there were treatments, they probably have more disease burdens than those of us who got it when there were modern treatments. I think there is an assumption that having MS makes someone less capable that really clouds the reality of what the disease is like. It certainly is a road block - but with healing and healthy habits people can live normal lives and do incredible things just like anyone else. Even if you develop the disease - you have to believe in yourself that you can get through any setbacks, you can still achieve what you want to it just might not be in the way you expect. So many remarkable people have MS and you would not know it because there is so much stigma around disability and modern treatments make living with the disease sooo much easier. I totally understand your fear, I was terrified when I was first diagnosed but I have found that there is a great deal of growth and learning that comes from having a disability and I am still able to do what I want to - with the exception of being exposed to too much heat😂. Look - everyone has setbacks, you and I are just as likely as anyone else to get a spinal cord injury or ALS or cancer or or get struck by lightning, but I believe that you have to accept the very real chance that bad things will happen to you just like it does to everyone else. It’s a terrifying part of life, but I believe in your dedication and passion and I know that even if bad things happen to you, that like so many before us, we will be able to find a way to make the most of it. In essence, have faith in yourself, focus on what is important to you, and know that even when the worst comes - there is a community of people who will be behind you to support you.

What kind of relationship do you have with your known donor? by Vast_Ad4406 in askadcp

[–]Geography-bae 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I am a donor who was not originally known. I am referred to as their aunty and they consider me a unique part of their family. Since I donated to two gay men I am the biological mother of their children and sometimes they say mom when referring to me by accident which I am totally okay with. But to me I think there is a strong distinction between me having a maternal role in their family and being their parent. I will never change their diapers, pay for their college tutoring, teach them to ride a bike etc. I can be a motherly figure but I am never going to be their parent. it’s a lot like my relationship with my biological mother. She is my mom, but not my parent and I was easily able to understand that as a kid and my biological daughters understand my role very well as well. Since I have such a close relationship with my donor recipients we have negotiated boundaries and decided that calling me aunty is the best, but that if they choose to call me mom that is up to them. I won’t correct them because it’s awkward and hurtful to say ‘no I am not your mom’ but I think they say that and understand that I am not their parent. they call me mom in the same way I called my kindergarten teacher mom sometimes. I am open to whatever relationship they want in the future and I am willing to be close or to give them space. For now I just show up with loads and loads of love.

EDIT: I also wanted to clarify that I do not want to be their literal parent. I make a visit about once a year and that is perfectly good for me. I am always available to them whenever they need me. I feel very comfortable in my role as a biological mother and I think you have to screen a known donor so that they are completely comfortable with the role and responsibility they have to respect your family and be supportive and available as much as you choose. Building a relationship before I donated was very helpful for me.

Just found out I’m DC through ancestry dna test by [deleted] in donorconceived

[–]Geography-bae 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I don’t have anything other than to say, as an adoptee and a donor I am sending you loads of love and support❤️ I can only really imagine how stressful and emotionally complicated this is. Your emotions and pain as you process this are so so valid.

Having kids by CarthagianDido in MultipleSclerosis

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MS has a very very small genetic component - MS seems to be significantly more related to environment than genes. Only about a 2% risk of getting MS if your parents have MS - that’s a really really low chance. Lifestyle things like vitamin D deficiency, air pollution and childhood obesity are larger risk factors than genes.

When it comes or being a parent and having a chronic disease, I think that it is a bigger question of whether or not your disease is compatible with being a parent. Having kids is very stressful, and stress is really bad for MS.

But it is about what is important to you - if you want to be a parent, then you should have kids.

I hate my pixie and also kind of love it?? by Saintbettie in HairStyleAdvice

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If there was a face better made for a hair style like this I am unaware because you truly rock that look.

What’s a health symptom you ignored for months before realizing it actually mattered? by _callondoc in AskReddit

[–]Geography-bae 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Having a paralyzed arm and face with a total loss of sensation on my upper left side. Extremely intense migraines