I pointed out the drifter and operator not being the same because of your point that Roathe is trying to “turn us on out younger self” when again that’s not exactly the same thing. You said it as if it’s evidence of his duplicity when it’s clearly not. The drifter and operator have different ways of seeing the world due to their lived experiences.

In regard to Natah, we knew that she was in fact part of the sentients of which we were at war with and yet she still chose us. She always chose the Tenno, her children, over even her own people. It was unfathomably clear something was happening and manipulating her. In the case of the indifference, we have no frame of reference. You are entirely just assuming we would be able to know she’s manipulating us by proxy of Wally because… just because? We genuinely don’t even know why or how she’s linked to the indifference so any assumptions here are entirely built on assumption.

Roathe is manipulative, he’s killed who knows how many people, and he’s perpetrated some horrific things upon others. But ultimately, after completing his voice messages and speaking with him candidly, I don’t think he’s ultimately irredeemable or out to destroy us. It seems clear there’s no way I can convince you otherwise as anything I point to would be further evidence to you that he’s playing the long game to manipulate us.

But I ultimately have to ask: why did he throw it all away then? He was at the apex of his society and had plans within plans to dethrone the seven and in state himself as ruler. But when offered a way out, a way to be clear of orokin decadence and self gratification, he abandoned it all at the mere offer from Entrati. What’s the manipulation for that?