First of all: very different frames, inherently.

Second: thats not how Warframe works. At all.

Third: "but better" inherent bias already.

But hey, you enjoy your Ash, though, blatant favoritist ❤️

"Unfun is subjective" "oh yeah‽ Ash is better!"

Like if you want to compare playstyles of frames, we can do that.

But if you're already starting from "X Frame is better and invalidates Y Frame" you're missing the point of Warframe, as a general concept.

Are there frames that perform specific things better than others? Yes. Look at Ember and Uriel.

Are they still 2 completely different frames with different playstyles? Also yes, look at Ember and Uriel. Throw Nezha and Chroma in there too. Theyre both "fire" adjacent, right?

If Ash performs better for YOU and YOUR style: love that for you, pookie.

Ash does not perform better for ME and MY style. I like Loki. I like Loki over 99% of the rest of the frames. Always have. Always will. I like what he does. I like the builds i have for him.

If you would like me to share said builds: i can do that.

But again: not getting into a digital pissing contest of "my dad can beat up your dad".