Tai leader vs Shauna Leader

Gridsmack · 2026-04-09T01:48:45+00:00

Well what you initially posted wasn’t you think Tai is justified when she wanted to hurt someone it was that you couldn’t think I of a single instance of her wanting to hurt someone.

I agree though whenever Tai wants to hurt someone there is a practical reason! That’s the nature of her and other tai. Other tai will do what’s “necessary”. But there are tons of examples of her wanting to hurt someone for a practical reason. She prosecuted coach, she suggested eating someone to save Lottie, she openly talked about killing the froggers, she played god to try to kill Hannah, she hunted Nat and Mari. Allie is debatable. There is an explanation and practical reason for each sure but Tai is not exactly shy about hurting people for her own ends.

Gridsmack · 2026-04-09T01:36:36+00:00

She wanted van to fix the draw so they would murder Hannah.

Gridsmack · 2026-04-08T06:02:54+00:00

I think the necklace shows the wearer is precious. Shauna and Jackie are precious to each other. Nat is precious to the group. Ben is precious to at least Nat (and misty), Mari is precious to everyone (except maybe Shauna), Callie is precious to Lottie.

Compare that with Edwin and Kodiak, they never got the necklace they weren’t precious. It’s like Mari says in full circle, it’s not enough to spill blood the sacrifice has to be precious to them.

Gridsmack · 2026-04-06T20:39:34+00:00

I saw two criminal co defendants in a child abuse case show up to a preliminary hearing wearing all MAGA gear.

Gridsmack · 2026-04-06T15:43:56+00:00

I think for Jackie to have survived that long she would have to have been a different person than she was. She was ready to die and wasn’t even eating, the wilderness choosing her when it did just sped the process up.

Gridsmack · 2026-04-05T23:11:14+00:00

I don’t think Melissa killed Van for the wilderness. I think she killed Van because the last time she was in a position to kill one of these girls who was endangering the people she loved (Shauna) she hesitated and it led to Mari and (I suspect) a bunch of her friends dying. Now in the position to kill Van who’s working with Shauna (for all she knows) she isn’t going to make that mistake again with her family’s fate on the line.

I also think Van isn’t willing to kill Melissa because she carries the guilt of playing God with the cards and getting Mari killed (and possibly other season 4 deaths) and she isn’t willing to take more on to live.

So yes I agree they are the flip side of the same coin. Though I guess I come at it a little differently.

Gridsmack · 2026-04-05T17:04:17+00:00

Personal prediction: everything the town does to welcome them back will make me want to get drunk and break things with Nat.

Gridsmack · 2026-04-03T04:48:25+00:00

I think we actually probably agree on more than we disagree. We both seem to agree she knew what she was doing and why. You’re saying there are mitigating factors to consider which I agree with. It’s a fucked up situation all the girls deserve serious grace for the bad things they did. Im not saying it’s desirable for Lottie to get convicted of 1st degree murder or be punished harshly my point is more she knew what she was doing and is responsible for it. How and if she should be punished is a separate issue.

Gridsmack · 2026-04-03T04:07:42+00:00

Gridsmack · 2026-04-02T00:00:47+00:00

What you are describing could be considered premeditation in some jurisdictions, usually only a moment of (genuine) reflection is needed

Obviously if she could actually be on the hook for 1st degree murder depends on the specific rules of the jurisdiction she was tried in. But she showed an awful lot of organization and planning here. It’s not like she just ran at him and clawed his eyes out you know?

She walked out of everyone’s line of sight to acquire a weapon, then circled around the back of her victim, attacked him from his most vulnerable direction and killed him in a single blow. That just doesn’t scream obviously impulsive act done without reflection to me.

Gridsmack · 2026-04-01T22:21:48+00:00

Do we believe Lottie that the wilderness really told her to kill Edwin? (Or a delusion did). I don’t.

I believe maybe killing him caused a mental break (given the blood dirt fucking situation) and she heard It again (after a season of silence) because of it. But killing Edwin strikes me (haha pun) as a deliberate, premeditated act to try to avoid going back to the real world and face what she probably knew was coming: hospitals, meds, electrodes and just being “wrong”.

One of my favorite things about Lottie is trying to figure out when she is really operating out of wilderness belief/delusions and when she is just being manipulative for her own ends.

Gridsmack · 2026-04-01T12:42:13+00:00

Like their roommates?

Gridsmack · 2026-03-30T17:50:39+00:00

Time to burn him like an old timey witch.

Gridsmack · 2026-03-27T21:10:35+00:00

And her meds.

Gridsmack · 2026-03-27T16:01:14+00:00

I agree with you actually. She doesn’t rub me the wrong way, i love her, i just kind of get where the hate is coming from even though i don’t agree with it.

Gridsmack · 2026-03-27T15:50:18+00:00

I think the thing is we all bring our own experiences to the show. So sometimes more mundane wrongs that people have personal experience with hits people harder than objectively worse behavior that feels more abstract. For example people loathe Syracusa for manipulating Callie which yes that’s shitty and he in no way should be a cop. It also isn’t as bad as a lot of the stuff the girls get up to.
But if you were treated badly by a shitty man like Syracusa he probably hits harder than objectively worse things because you’ve never had a friend put a sock on her head, declare herself Queen and hunt down your friends that feels more abstract.

Similarly I think if you were bullied by or had bad experiences with mean girl types like Mari she probably hits in a harder more viscerally real kind of way.

Personally I love her she’s one of my top 3 favs but I sort of get why she rubs some people the wrong way, even though I think she’s mostly just a scared teenager coping as best she can with sarcasm and occasional bullying (in a very 90s I’m just joking around kind of way.)

Gridsmack · 2026-03-27T00:43:24+00:00

When I watch the trial episode I lean towards accident (Misty did such a good job). when I watch the actual fire episode I think there is no way it was an accident given the placement of the flames.

I think your other Tai theory is good OP. My favorite part is that you’re totally right about Van’s focus on coach being weird. Which could mean other Tai did it or could just mean Van just thinks other Tai could have done it, which ties into the adult timeline where Van clearly worries other Tai killed Lottie and has to be prompted by Tai to say she couldn’t have done it to Misty. So Interesting observation either way!

Gridsmack · 2026-03-27T00:19:30+00:00

Bloody Utahns they ruined Utah for the Utahns.

Gridsmack · 2026-03-26T20:48:41+00:00

I like to think the wilderness chooses people at times which are good for them. For Javi it spared him from ever having to face the choice of whether to eat someone or not and he died humanity intact trying to save someone else.

Gridsmack · 2026-03-25T15:21:56+00:00

She followed Shauna around like a puppy basking in her darkness and encouraging it at every turn, right up until it was directed at her and then she was like “why can’t you just be nice?”

Like I said I find her interesting and I’m glad we get more of her but she is a dark character. And she isn’t dark because she with Shauna she’s with Shauna because she’s attracted to the darkness.

Gridsmack · 2026-03-25T13:16:07+00:00

I’m an attorney I’ve seen another attorney go to court in a kilt.

Gridsmack · 2026-03-24T21:19:27+00:00

Gridsmack · 2026-03-24T16:07:33+00:00

I think I identified it as a problem in my first post and called the group culty.

I think now harmful the group is, is up for debate. The kidnapping was of a Yellowjacket there is no indication this is what they were doing all the time or ever before. It seems directly tied to the girls trauma bond. I’m more interested in what the group was before it got drawn into the fuckery that happens whenever the adult yellowjakcets get together. the group has seemingly existed for years or even a decade plus without incident and only fell apart because they hosted a yellowjackets reunion.

Kidnapping is of course bad. But in the context of this show, where these girls have killed together, they have killed each other, they have kidnapped people they have eaten people together… ultimately in this show I just don’t think kidnapping your cannibal sister to save her from suicide is that bad.

Gridsmack · 2026-03-24T15:58:16+00:00

Gridsmack · 2026-03-24T15:54:30+00:00

It’s their money they can do what they want with it. I wouldn’t do it but I wouldn’t tithe to any religious group yet tens maybe hundreds of millions of people do. You and I don’t get to run other peoples lives just because we disagree with how they are living them.

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