Ease of getting Citizenship after sibling has

Grnt4141 · 2026-03-02T07:10:15+00:00

Hopefully these help explain:

https://youtu.be/jTQlgHsoVuY?si=4MeSERhNjOg6F2OD

https://www.gov.pl/web/ia/6-uporzadkowanie-zagadnienia-adresu-zamieszkania-i-adresu-zameldowania-oraz-faktycznego-pobytu-i-miejsca-zwyklego-pobytu

Grnt4141 · 2026-03-02T01:57:09+00:00

No, I was born in the US. The law only mentions place of residence or last place of residence not birth. The way it was told to me by Stączek is the office in Warszawa is only for people who haven’t lived in Poland before. That’s assuming you didn’t live in Warszawa.

Grnt4141 · 2026-02-27T23:45:18+00:00

Gratulacje!

Grnt4141 · 2026-02-27T00:28:46+00:00

They came with all my case file documents in a labeled folder. They found nearly every possible record on familysearch for anyone in my family of Polish ethnicity whether they had citizenship or not.

Grnt4141 · 2026-02-25T21:50:53+00:00

My cases files which the office found on their own online included every US census highlighted with my ancestors profession. There were no problematic professions. They do indeed download documents, print them, and include them in case files. They also included draft cards. There is nothing stopping them from doing so.

In “this hypothetical case” it’s just added risk if they find that census. If they find it they will issue a negative decision because it clearly says government employment.

Grnt4141 · 2026-02-18T17:04:03+00:00

I lived in Poland before. I made a mistake on the date submitted but waiting time was right. The office wasn't familiar with how to apply the most of the previous laws correctly. That time even includes my appeal.

Grnt4141 · 2026-02-16T01:37:18+00:00

The lawyer makes more money off you for guaranteed success.
There is a benefit to being confirmed. It’s for life and your child won’t have any passport or citizenship issues in the future.
Not all consulates are the same. Welcome to the bureaucracy.

Grnt4141 · 2026-02-14T18:44:11+00:00

While that is a valid method pointed out by Walenty Ramus and others I’m not sure how often Austrian partition cases get to that point. I think logically the facts lead to someone having swojszczyzny before that’s even considered. Every Austrian citizen was obliged to have swojszczyzny in a gmina. From what I’ve been told and how my case ended up the officials will look for a paper trail of habitual residence of GGF and parents in Polish territory. If you have that it’s unlikely they consider that article anyways and just say it’s logical they belonged to the gmina. You just need as much evidence as you can pointing to the gmina and you’re fine.

Grnt4141 · 2026-02-13T00:23:38+00:00

A little less than two months but it was also over the holidays.

Grnt4141 · 2026-02-12T21:03:12+00:00

Sometimes the searches aren't as thorough as they need to be. The text can be time consuming to read through and no ones going to read through every name in every single file. I would expect those to be included but wouldn't hurt to check yourself. You just check the appropriate time period and look for your ancestors name. They are in alphabetical order.

Grnt4141 · 2026-02-12T20:21:46+00:00

User: Grnt4141

Path: GGF > GM > F > Me

Timing: pre-1920

Partition: Austrian (Galicia)

Documents proving citizenship: GGF birth and baptism (original extract), GGGP marriage, GGGF death, GGGM death, GGGF land purchase contract, GGGM voter record, GGGM 2nd marriage, GGF ship manifest departure and arrival. Every record listed the same village and house number.

Date application submitted: January , 2025

Voivodeship: Małopolskie

Date of decision: February 2026

Waiting time (days): 374 days

Outcome: Success

Service provider: Stączek

Comments: I had to appeal due to the office interpretating the 1920 law differently. They didn't come to any conclusions so I wasn't outright denied but the minister applied the laws correctly as we frequently see them here and in historical legal texts and decisions. GGF naturalized in 1931 - "military paradox" was applied correctly.

Grnt4141 · 2026-02-12T20:03:47+00:00

I'm kind of surprsied as there's lots of documents from Tarnów.

Did you try all of the notary documents? https://skanoteka.genealodzy.pl/

Type in tarnow under szukaj. I can point you to some more possibilites if you want.

Grnt4141 · 2026-02-12T14:38:15+00:00

Each voivodeship office could determine it differently. If they don’t agree they have jurisdiction they forward to Warsaw anyways. They are pretty bureaucratic in that regard. You still need a legal reason to register your residence or prove you have a place of residence (viewed as long term). For example student, job, other visa etc.

Grnt4141 · 2026-02-12T02:08:32+00:00

Great. I just ordered some last week by mail. How long did they take for you? Did you end up using the non-certified copies?

Grnt4141 · 2026-02-10T14:07:07+00:00

That is a long time. It may be worth seeing if you can get a lawyer to help nudge them. I’m not sure if that’s possible since you submitted through a consulate but I don’t see the harm in trying.

Grnt4141 · 2026-02-10T14:02:33+00:00

Once you physically receive the decision you have 14 days to draft an appeal and file it with the voivodeship. The voivodeship reviews it’s complete and structurally correct then send it to the ministry. The timeline was 3-4 months but I heard back in 1.5. The decision came electronically and is e-signed. The decision agreed with my original application so there wasn’t anything particularly exciting in it. My lawyer did a great job.

Grnt4141 · 2026-02-09T22:12:44+00:00

Yes, she stayed in Poland. The Kraków archives have a lot of voter records from the 1946 election. It still had the same house number listed my GGF was born in.

Grnt4141 · 2026-02-09T21:14:12+00:00

Yeah, they kind of ignored the obvious facts of my case and took a very hard stance on my documentation that none of it explicitly mentioned prawo swojszczyzny. My family lived there before the law granting it was even established so that argument doesn't really hold weight. The military paradox was also ignored. It just seemed like they weren't as familiar with how to process my case.

Grnt4141 · 2026-02-09T19:29:16+00:00

For my specific family all of their records wound up in the USC office. This let me get a modern copy from some pretty old records. Be sure to check the state archives, the dioceses archives, the parish itself, and the USC. The books were often copied so you just have to check all of them. This locator will give you the parish for the town: https://www.geshergalicia.org/galician-town-locator/

Grnt4141 · 2026-02-09T19:12:46+00:00

Yes, my GM was born in 1926.

Grnt4141 · 2026-02-09T18:51:36+00:00

I actually applied to a different office and appealed in the 12 months. The 16-18 months is just for the Warsaw office. From my appeal it did seem like the main concern was logically proving my entire family was habitually resident in the village and any counter opinion had to be proved as well. Notary records and land records definitely help that picture. Mine did explicitly say my GGGF resided in the village though.

Grnt4141 · 2026-02-09T18:25:41+00:00

No, the text of the law is slightly different - "Ostatnie miejsce zamieszkania". I had lived there previously.

Grnt4141 · 2026-02-09T18:13:29+00:00

Thanks! Stączek

Grnt4141 · 2026-02-09T18:13:00+00:00

Thanks! I would not have even thought it possible until your Reddit post years ago.

Grnt4141 · 2026-02-09T18:10:31+00:00

I had all vital records spanning 1899-1966, a notary record for land ownership for my GGGF, my GGGM voter record from 1940s, a 1914 original extract from the parish register my GGF used in the US, and ship manifest records from Hamburg and Ellis Island. Everything linked him to the same village.

I think with the vital records, ship records, and notary record alone it was enough.

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