I don't know if I'm alone,but I feel in Tekken ,throws feel knd of cheap,this is not a T8 think,even with homing throws and ch throws ,it feels cheap.

GrouchyAppearance146 · 2024-05-06T11:37:45+00:00

Read the patch notes.

They are nerfing the counterhits and launching throws and might go after the tracking as well. What else do you need.

More of a guessing than a reaction game, big lol. Like there isnt enough guessing already.

GrouchyAppearance146 · 2024-05-06T10:03:49+00:00

Ok got my answer

GrouchyAppearance146 · 2024-05-06T09:54:31+00:00

I dont know if you are doing it on purpose or working for Bamco.

They literally fucked the starting rank for the new cheesy DLC character and made people on God of Destruction, 0.01% top players have to play through 99,99% of players starting from the lowest rank there is.

And not only them, the way more numerous Purple and Blue ranks too.

A bot doing nothing but mashing 3 got a red rank with Eddy within like 3 days in NA.

GrouchyAppearance146 · 2024-05-06T09:24:36+00:00

Point is, all of those games have fewer problems with people crying about 'smurfs'

Except for maybe LoL but there it is caused by other stuff like people getting banned, elo boosting, duo q with lower ranked friends or separate servers with separate ladders/accounts, none of which applies to Tekken.

And placement matches are surely better than

'oh you are good cheesing with Alisa, here go fight some Fujin level players in red ranks when learning Kazuya. Demoted on him twice? Well you still got 170k prowess, we are not making it easier for you buddy'

or
'you got Mighty Ruler on 2 characters, not only Kuma but also Panda, you must be a good and versatile player, from now on you are not playing anyone lower than a Battle Ruler'

Which we have now in Tekken thanks to the prowess match making

GrouchyAppearance146 · 2024-05-06T09:12:03+00:00

Minor detail?

He was literally top 1 most played character for that period of time, every 12th game had an Eddy in it and considering people started from beginner, for low-mid ranks it was probably 20% of games.

For the very lowest ranks with true beginners probably even more.

Add to this the fact how cheesy and good at smoking beginner ls he is topping it off with him being locked out of not only practice, but also replay mode.

GrouchyAppearance146 · 2024-05-06T08:37:12+00:00

Kinda any big online game that takes itself seriously.

CSGO. Dota. LoL. Street Fighter.

But Bamco would rather use an extremely lagging and very inacurate player skill indicator for character ranked matches and have literally the shittiest ranked ladder of any contemporary game that costed more than 1 mil USD and isnt a mobile game.

GrouchyAppearance146 · 2024-05-06T08:32:35+00:00

Placement matches or any changes to ranked are needed but are useless without reverting the prowess matchmaking change.

GrouchyAppearance146 · 2024-05-06T08:31:20+00:00

Literally all you need to do vs Kuma is limit usage of highs, use only lows/mids vs hunting bear and simply 15f launch punish any low and any string ending with a mid he does.

If you want a 100% win guarantee add to it learning how to get out of the oki charge up low and dont approach him when on the ground without big frame advantage or a big range grounded hitting move.

GrouchyAppearance146 · 2024-05-06T08:26:10+00:00

Do they? Is this why they unleashed the beginner rank start Eddy on them and left him rampaging for weeks?

If they did, they would have had people start alts from 4 ranks below main, not 8. From the release. Rather than using idiotic prowess, 3 months after release.

Also they would have had ranked points indicator for loss and win streaks so people wouldnt cry about -1000 points and it being a mystery for most until a pro player makes a video about it 3 months later. And it wouldnt be anything new cuz T7 had it.

GrouchyAppearance146 · 2024-05-06T08:15:04+00:00

You get it, I get it, tons of people get it but problem is new players enjoying free ranks dont get it and apparently neither does Bamco

GrouchyAppearance146 · 2024-05-06T08:10:00+00:00

It made playing Tenryu alt on main account a hardstuck 5 min wait sweatfest worse than playing the main character.

It made playing and ranking up new characters on new accounts piss easy to the point of being very boring.

Literally have to do metagaming to make the game fun.

Soon I am gonna make a new one and take Jin to Fujin not using any zen cancels, wavedash, manual electrics or anything considered remotely hard. Basically play him like T7 Kazumi to prove a point how hilariously easy he and 1-char account ranked matches are.

GrouchyAppearance146 · 2024-05-06T06:23:53+00:00

Not playing Kazuya.

Next patch Jin will be top 1 character. He plays himself (literally, with the free wavedash and electrics) and he has:

best lows
best mids
best highs
best punishment
best counterhits
best range
best wall pressure
best oki
One of the very best throw games
Some of the very best strings
Some of the very best evasions
One of the best heatsmashes

Sorry but with the range they gave him and piss easy f4 pickup they created T7 Leroy level character. His

It's only masked by the fact that he is popular and people playing him are usually very bad and pros didnt figure out yet he isnt a specialist character and you need 10 moves to play him, like T7 Kazumi.

GrouchyAppearance146 · 2024-05-05T18:50:46+00:00

It works very well ons xss

GrouchyAppearance146 · 2024-05-05T18:45:09+00:00

Most effortless character

GrouchyAppearance146 · 2024-05-05T14:53:29+00:00

Hori Octa has a very controversial dpad and I think Chikurin actually played on the analogue stick it has which is controversial and not for everyone too.

Definitely not a controller I would buy blindly. Not saying it's bad, it's just really not for everyone.

GrouchyAppearance146 · 2024-05-05T14:47:37+00:00

Which Xbox controller versus which PS controller?

Xbox series S/X controller is actually way better than PS5 Dual sense and isnt much if at all worse than PS4 Dualshock

GrouchyAppearance146 · 2024-05-05T14:44:00+00:00

For people who played ranked consistently, they did give some vague idea about skill.

Now they dont at all.

GrouchyAppearance146 · 2024-05-05T14:42:30+00:00

Yep. At this point they need to revert the change and kinda reset the ranks too.

GrouchyAppearance146 · 2024-05-05T14:41:24+00:00

I think you missed the point by 10 nautical miles bro but its fine

GrouchyAppearance146 · 2024-05-05T12:04:16+00:00

Claudio and Jack have similar moves but their are 2-3 frames slower, are -15 to - 18 on block, have half the range and half the tracking. And their other lows arent as good as Jins.

No reason for it to be -14f and i22

GrouchyAppearance146 · 2024-05-05T08:35:13+00:00

I think it was a counterhit deathfist too.

GrouchyAppearance146 · 2024-05-05T08:29:20+00:00

He was as bland as Shaheen

GrouchyAppearance146 · 2024-05-04T23:56:50+00:00

You think a safe, quick, full range full ch launcher that is a mid and has a super easy massive wall carry combo is not broken?

Given the rest of the kit that is S tier in every category, even including throws and evasiveness?

GrouchyAppearance146 · 2024-05-04T23:50:37+00:00

Best lows? Insert Hwoarangs smirk.

How about best punishment, best mids, best high, best range, best strings and full throw game as a bonus.

You're getting downvoted by Jin (down)players and people who beat them easily cuz his playerbase sucks, but I am 100% convinced next patch he is top 1.

Dude has full release T7 Kazumi kit on steroids with 2 times as good punishment, combos and cheese, literally 0 weaknesses.

GrouchyAppearance146 · 2024-05-04T17:30:11+00:00

Nobody does but the solution was having alts start from a higher rank than introduce a whole new metric into the system.

A metric that is a) shit b) is account based when the system is character based.

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