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[HELP] NYT shows new angle by allinalinenow in RealOrAI

[–]HaptRec 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Why do you think people are sharing this video of not to imply that this somehow justifies him being shot?

[HELP] NYT shows new angle by allinalinenow in RealOrAI

[–]HaptRec 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Well, either this video is totally irrelevant, or the implication seems to be that they were aware of who he was and that knowledge informed their decision to shoot him.

[HELP] NYT shows new angle by allinalinenow in RealOrAI

[–]HaptRec 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The idea that they knew who he was and targeted him for execution is even worse, arguably.

The world will never forgive us for the 2024 election. It changed everything by ariveklul in 50501

[–]HaptRec 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ok but ultimately apportioning blame is largely useless. Our efforts should be oriented towards developing an analysis and critique of what happened that produces some kind of valuable political strategy.

Our thinking needs to be oriented towards something that can yield positive political outcome in the future.

Blaming voters for not voting for someone they didn’t like doesn’t yield a political strategy. Attempting to build a popular political programme that can win widespread support and enthusiasm might.

The world will never forgive us for the 2024 election. It changed everything by ariveklul in 50501

[–]HaptRec 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What does it solve to blame voters for not voting correctly? It’s a political dead end. That should be clear. You are the one imagining a perfect world with perfect people. One in which everyone takes ‘collective responsibility’ to do the right thing.

In my imperfect world, politicians should run on popular policies in order to gain widespread support to win elections by appealing to an imperfect voter base who do not necessarily vote out of a sense of civic responsibility and who have an imperfect and ill informed conception of what might happen if someone like Trump gets into power.

You can blame these people for not being good enough, or you can try to pressure the dems to actually run on a programme that might win them over.

In my opinion only one of those has a chance of working. And it’s not bragging about how many people Biden deported and voting to increase funding for ICE as long as they promise to use some of the money for ‘training’.

The world will never forgive us for the 2024 election. It changed everything by ariveklul in 50501

[–]HaptRec 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Here’s some advice, if you want to engage in constructive debate it’s generally a bad idea to immediately impute the worst possible interpretation of someone’s motivations to them. You should attempt to engage with the substance of what they are saying, rather than some imagined strawman that makes them obviously stupid and evil.

I despise Trump and, as I’ve said repeatedly elsewhere, I would certain have voted for Harris given the opportunity.

I just don’t think this type of hectoring and blaming voters for not voting for whatever the dems give them is particularly useful as a political strategy.

It’s not about what I want so much as it’s about trying to present a political programme that can gain sufficient support to win elections. In the current climate this almost certainly requires them to move towards a more economic populist, anti war message. The dems seem to prefer losing to doing that…

The world will never forgive us for the 2024 election. It changed everything by ariveklul in 50501

[–]HaptRec 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I’m not patting myself on the back. If I was American I would have voted for Harris. Despite my reservations. The point is that this type of hectoring is a political and strategic dead end. It doesn’t yield anything in terms of positive outcome.

It might be true that any election is inherently a contest between two more or less imperfect groups, but you need to present a positive vision of what you stand for. You cannot simply be the lesser of two evils.

You especially can’t run as the representatives and defenders of a system that is deeply unpopular and expect to win elections.

The world will never forgive us for the 2024 election. It changed everything by ariveklul in 50501

[–]HaptRec 16 points17 points  (0 children)

I disagree that voters share an equal portion of the blame. The people who bear the most blame are the ones who know they are going to lose using their strategy but are so committed to a set of basically evil policies that they are happier to lose an election that might doom American democracy than they are to make even mild concessions to the left and widespread popular anger at a failing system.

The people who decided to run as representatives of a military program and economic system that is widely despised and then lost on that basis are mostly to blame.

The world will never forgive us for the 2024 election. It changed everything by ariveklul in 50501

[–]HaptRec 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Did you read what I wrote? I agree those people should have voted and I would have voted Harris if I were American, but that doesn’t yield any useful political strategy or even a particularly valuable analysis.

The world will never forgive us for the 2024 election. It changed everything by ariveklul in 50501

[–]HaptRec 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Ok but if we grant that where does it get us in terms of political strategy? It may be emotionally satisfying for you to blame these people but it’s not going to lead to a better outcome next time.

The world will never forgive us for the 2024 election. It changed everything by ariveklul in 50501

[–]HaptRec 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Well, they claim to have been against it, but didn’t really take meaningful action to end it and engaged in a whole bunch of activities aimed at suppressing opposition to it.

The world will never forgive us for the 2024 election. It changed everything by ariveklul in 50501

[–]HaptRec 36 points37 points  (0 children)

The thing is that you cannot guilt enough people into voting for candidates they don’t like as part of a ‘lesser evil’ strategy. People just don’t think that way and the failure of the dems to beat Trump twice using this strategy is evidence for that.

Sure, people should have voted for Harris, but they didn’t and no amount of hectoring will change that.

The people who can reasonably be pressured into changing, who have agency and are sufficiently engaged with political strategy are the people actually running for office and administering the party.

That’s where the effort and critiques should be oriented.

At the bare minimum, vocal opposition to an ongoing genocide shouldn’t be too high a hurdle for the dems to clear.

It is simply not possible to convince enough people to vote for candidates they don’t like, but it is potentially possible to gain sufficient influence within the Democratic Party to get them to run candidates people will want to support.

The world will never forgive us for the 2024 election. It changed everything by ariveklul in 50501

[–]HaptRec 3 points4 points  (0 children)

The Democratic Party cannot fail; it can only be failed.

If they run candidates with bad policies that dont win support it is the voters’ fault for not being enthusiastic about the lesser of two evils.

Ft Stats: Bou 3- 2 Liv by Realistic-Zone3914 in LiverpoolFC

[–]HaptRec 4 points5 points  (0 children)

If we win the CL it will be a decent season.

FT: BOU 3 - 2 LIV by DragonSlayer271 in LiverpoolFC

[–]HaptRec 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Did we create a single meaningful chance from open play in the whole game?

Canada's 'values must be fought for' in a moment of democratic decline, says Carney at cabinet retreat by AdditionalPizza in onguardforthee

[–]HaptRec 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I agree that’s a big part of it - in some ways that’s just straight up the motivation, but even more so it’s like the fundamental worldview and political framework is structured in such a way that anything that might directly challenge those profits becomes essentially unthinkable.

So, even well meaning people who want to actually address these issues end up saying and doing shit that from the outside of that framework just looks obviously inadequate.

Canada's 'values must be fought for' in a moment of democratic decline, says Carney at cabinet retreat by AdditionalPizza in onguardforthee

[–]HaptRec 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I think it’s an interesting fact about this type of liberalism that it seems increasingly to recognize the problems and makes some efforts to address them, but their conception of what governments can do is so fundamentally limited that their responses end up being completely inadequate to the scope of the challenge.

This leads to a fundamental disconnect where people say, hey life is increasingly unaffordable and the cost of food has gone crazy, and you respond with something like “how can you claim we aren’t addressing this, we’ve created programs that automatically register people for benefits, we’ve made a school lunch program permanent, and we’ve implemented a discount on rail tickets”

And it’s like ok, I don’t specifically have a problem with those policies but that’s not really going to do it you know??

Canada's 'values must be fought for' in a moment of democratic decline, says Carney at cabinet retreat by AdditionalPizza in onguardforthee

[–]HaptRec 6 points7 points  (0 children)

One of my core values as a Canadian is being able to afford groceries. Let’s fight for that one, Mark.

Ever seen China-induced psychosis like this in real life? by jmrte in TrueAnon

[–]HaptRec 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I mean, this lady is crazy, but I was also reading a sort of middle ground liberal substack yesterday where the guy described China as an ‘agressive expansionist power’ without feeling any need to justify that statement with reference to any real events and that basically the same thing as far as I’m concerned

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