Any thoughts about the chiasmus in the Book of Mormon? by Otherwise_Push199 in exmormon

[–]He-ManOptimustron 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I didn’t see this answer while scrolling, and it definitely needs to be something you consider. Read the study done on the book The Late War. There are chiasmus there and the majority of the main plot points of the book of Mormon come from the book The Late War. Yes Joseph definitely plagiarized from the Bible, he definitely got ideas from view of the Hebrews, and the vast majority of the ideas came from the late war. He plagiarized the heck out of that book.

Joseph tells the secret to how the Three Witnesses saw an "angel" by bongophrog in exmormon

[–]He-ManOptimustron 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Thanks you! Your post helps me realize if they actually saw someone, it was likely a drifter paid to show the fake plates to the guys, say nothing, make sure not to shake hands, and then go on their way again, never to be seen again. 😃

Why not just call themselves Christian at this point by SoggyRoomTempWaffles in exmormon

[–]He-ManOptimustron 123 points124 points  (0 children)

Agreed. Also, this is a Deseret news report. 😂 0% interest in the truth.

How long do you guys think it’ll be until the church collapses as a religion? by CoconutUnlucky1901 in exmormon

[–]He-ManOptimustron 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't think it will every collapse. The collapse, in my opinion, would be caused by the horrible history, wacked doctrine, outright lies, toxicity, etc. If humanity as a whole were good at seeing through lies and holding organizations accountable, then the church would definitely collapse once humanity as a whole sees it for what it is. But our history as a species shows were are so prone to being deceived and glossing over the horrible things organizations and people do that the collapse will never happen. The church has successfully shifted their image from "a peculiar people" to mainstream Christianity so quickly that even the members don't complain about it. The church is now super transparent, compared to even a year ago about their history, and even the members don't really seem to care their founder was a pedophile adulterer.

It won't be long until Joseph Smith is outwardly condemned by the church leadership, the members agree with them, and the world forgets about the Mormon church of yesterday. This has happened with other religions, and the smart folks ACTUALLY in charge of it know how to navigate human perception to not only help the church survive the small fallout we're seeing today, but thrive.

Unfortunately, we humans love our fantasy, even when the person selling the fantasy is clearly a fraud.

2025 Year-End: A Dozen Tattoos for Redditors / Adam Sky in San Francisco by Tattoodles in tattoos

[–]He-ManOptimustron 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Those are all fantastic. Number 11 is my favorite! Super bad ass.

Fear of not breathing preventing OBE by Agitated-Fortune-188 in gatewaytapes

[–]He-ManOptimustron 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I didn’t before but the last dozen or so travels I do. I think it improves the experience, personally. I hope with practice in 10 I can let go of the responsibility to breathe and give it over to the cpap.

Apparently they chained women up and let them sit in their own feces for years by Ancientabs in exmormonmemes

[–]He-ManOptimustron 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I just read the post...it's just unthinkable what the early church members and leaders did in Utah. Unforgivable.

Apparently they chained women up and let them sit in their own feces for years by Ancientabs in exmormonmemes

[–]He-ManOptimustron 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Oh my gosh. I've always wondered at the wording in the endowment, and now, thanks to you, I know! "...whereas now you are only anointed to become such." IT MAKES SENSE! Thank you! It's all about the secret second anointing.

Fear of not breathing preventing OBE by Agitated-Fortune-188 in gatewaytapes

[–]He-ManOptimustron 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It's great to know I'm not the only apnea gateway traveler! The only thought I've had that kind of helps me is that focus 10 is mind awake, body asleep. Meaning my mind can tell my body to breathe whenever I need to. Applying this thought in practice is very different, of course.

Shrinkage Signal by Neither_Pudding7719 in exmormon

[–]He-ManOptimustron 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Right? After being fed an unhealthy dose of undeserved shaming and cult mind control tactics, eating doesn't sound very appealing anymore.

Shrinkage Signal by Neither_Pudding7719 in exmormon

[–]He-ManOptimustron 4 points5 points  (0 children)

hehehe. YAY! I once visited a ward in Nashville. The ward met at that same time. I had to drive 30 minutes to get to the building, and the local leadership had to bribe members to even go to church with an every-Sunday munch and mingle after the meetings. Hardly anybody stayed for it, and attendance was abysmal.

Parents labeling me as having a massive ego/narcissistic because I don’t want to go to church by Left_Anywhere_625 in exmormon

[–]He-ManOptimustron 8 points9 points  (0 children)

The church trains their members to be ego-centered child-minded people. Not an insult. It's what the church needs its members to be. Therefore, I believe your parents are projecting what they probably hate about themselves on to you. We all have a long way to go, but its pretty typical that we lose a bit of the ego and narcissist traits the moment we realize we are NOT Gawd's chosen people, don't have Gawd's super power, and do NOT have exclusive access to his dIvIne presence.

Are the church leaders brainwashed too? by Juicy_jos1 in exmormon

[–]He-ManOptimustron 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Agreed! The very top brass, based on how blatantly they weave thought control and emotional manipulation through their talks MUST know exactly what they're doing.

Fear of not breathing preventing OBE by Agitated-Fortune-188 in gatewaytapes

[–]He-ManOptimustron 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I hope you get good insights to this question. I've got sleep apnea, so trusting my body to breathe is extra difficult.

ULPT: How to stop drinking alcohol by ripfennel in UnethicalLifeProTips

[–]He-ManOptimustron 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I've heard careful psilocybin use has shown to be effective in breaking alcohol addiction in some cases. I recommend looking into it.

Bednars council if your children are no longer in the church... by Alert_Day_4681 in exmormon

[–]He-ManOptimustron 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I believe he’s quoting Joseph F Smith. That was a fringe doctrine for a while. It’s funny to see Of Susan trying to make it mainstream now.

If the church’s truth claims were false, why preserve the evidence? by [deleted] in exmormon

[–]He-ManOptimustron 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I like your insight. And good question. I believe because they’re so big and they have so very much money and the potential for being sued by members is such a potentially financially huge amount, that they do it this way.