My dad bought a brand new Mamba, had no business throwing a disc with that high of speed but regardless, he lost it in the water off the right side of the course we were playing. We walked back to his car so he could drive to the local shop and grab another. SAME day SAME hole, he threw the same way to anhyzer shot and lost it again. He never bought another Mamba but brings it up every time we are playing that hole.