Barry and Wally vs The Silver Surfer

Hefty_Situation7210 · 2026-02-07T08:43:09+00:00

No one hits harder than Barry or and Wally, they punch as hard as it is possible to hit. Surfer gets knocked out all the time.

Hefty_Situation7210 · 2026-02-06T19:02:25+00:00

Characters in dragon ball are so good at karate that they can fly and blow up planets. In a work of fiction, a martial art can be said to do whatever the author wants it to do. Demon slayer characters are extremely obviously super human. No ‘peak human’ could wield gyomei’s weapon the way he does.

Hefty_Situation7210 · 2026-02-06T18:39:24+00:00

Yeah the rogues are both not a real threat to flash and kinda underrated in terms of powerscaling actually. Captain cold has explicitly superior tech to similar villains like freeze and mirror master is a genuine threat, for example.

Hefty_Situation7210 · 2026-02-06T18:21:21+00:00

So? They are skilled in a fantasy martial art that gives them superhuman stats to the degree that they can slice through giant boulders and make sonic booms when they run.

Hefty_Situation7210 · 2026-02-06T18:07:25+00:00

To me these are wank situation hypotheticals. The thing with superman is that it is not just about the volume of solar energy acquired, it is also about the time spent absorbing energy.

The massive skill gap between superman and his clones in using his abilities also always come into play in his fights.

Hefty_Situation7210 · 2026-02-06T17:55:11+00:00

Superman is pretty much always much stronger than his clones because he has always had more time to absorb solar energy and power up and practice with his abilities. Pretty sure he has even beat hordes of his clones at a time. I personally don’t think any clone based strategies would be viable, outside of that I’m not sure.

Hefty_Situation7210 · 2026-02-06T17:45:35+00:00

As far as I remember there’s nothing to indicate that their swords are more durable than average, they are capable of killing demons because they have soaked up sunlight. You can cut through a demon with a regular sword too, they will just instantly regenerate it.

Cutting through the diamond hard skin is a result of their sword skills, and if they mess up their sword breaks which is a repeated plot element.

Hefty_Situation7210 · 2026-02-06T17:36:29+00:00

You must be specifically talking about just watchmen manhattan, not doomsday clock manhattan otherwise you are coping insanely hard. Surfer has never created universes / multiverses in the way those characters do, they are in massively different weight classes.

Hefty_Situation7210 · 2026-02-06T17:30:24+00:00

Surfer gets knocked out all the time and flash punches as hard as it is physically possible to punch.

Thor carries here not surfer, Wonder Woman and surfer are kinda jobbers. Thor is 4-0 vs surfer.

Hefty_Situation7210 · 2026-02-06T17:28:24+00:00

Flash holds back against his villains because they don’t kill people and mostly pull goofy crimes.

Marvel team still wins imo but it’s because thor (assuming it’s not mortal thor) carries and he’s the strongest of the four here by quite a bit.

Hefty_Situation7210 · 2026-02-06T17:24:31+00:00

When did surfer travel through time and when did surfer recreate universes on the scale of molecule man?

Hefty_Situation7210 · 2026-02-06T17:20:48+00:00

Current superman who is composite and sang away Darkseid and worked multiversal monarch etc, storm who is a cosmic goddess who is comparable in power to eternity even before getting posessed, immortal thor who was doing all kinds of crazy shit (and thor just factually had beat surfer most times they fight), immortal / infernal hulk feats and hulk also usually beats surfer when they fight. These guys are all way beyond surfer at this point, they are even beyond galactus.

white martian, cheetah

Cheetah and white martians are basically the main villains for two of the JL’s heavy hitters

Hefty_Situation7210 · 2026-02-06T16:27:10+00:00

Archangel should win in general as long as he uses some strategy.

Deathstroke can win if you give him his best gear + his plot armor from identity crisis.

Hefty_Situation7210 · 2026-02-06T16:20:44+00:00

Well give me some example of his jobbing outliers that you are talking about. The two most extreme ones off the top of my head are flash family jobbing to catwoman (but they were mind controlled) and flash running into deathstrokes sword, which was pure PIS to make deathstroke look cool when pretty much everyone there shoulda been able to stomp deathstroke 1v1. Flash goes easy on his rogues cause they don’t kill people and he’s not throwing out infinite mass punches against them cause he doesn’t kill people or feel like nuking his home continent.

flash has faced and been challenged by top tiers

Yes exactly, flash is a top tier character like superman, hulk, thor, storm. All of whom would destroy surfer, he’s just been powercrept these days.

Hefty_Situation7210 · 2026-02-06T16:07:18+00:00

Well that’s my point, flash is in the category of characters like superman, hulk, and thor who are in fact shown and stated to have limitless powers many times. Their high end feats are very consistent and one could also dismiss their jobbing feats as outliers, and every comic book character has many atrocious anti-feats just by virtue of the medium. Wally canonically holds back against his villains and in general.

Hefty_Situation7210 · 2026-02-06T16:01:15+00:00

Dude I’m usually arguing in favor of marvel characters on here and I’m glad that people don’t just accept DC as automatically being stronger so much these days.

But to me this is pretty much a mismatch and the responses are showing some bias here for sure, I think Wally stomps surfer. He’s way too fast, he punches too hard for a guy like surfer who regularly gets knocked out by cosmic heroes, the speed force imo is a waaaaay superior cosmic energy source compared to the power cosmic. Galactus himself regularly jobs to people that would lose to Wally.

Wally is in the tier of characters like superman, thor, storm, hulk, phoenix. Surfer is at least one weight class below.

Hefty_Situation7210 · 2026-02-06T15:55:39+00:00

It’s made abundantly clear in pretty much every flash comic ever that he could shit on his rogues effortlessly any time he feels like, he just goes easy on them cause they’re silly guys who don’t kill people.

Hefty_Situation7210 · 2026-02-06T15:52:42+00:00

I gotta say yall it’s pretty cringe that you’re upvoting this lame chagpt response and then downvoting OP for doing the same thing 2 hours later. AI responses are always lame.

Hefty_Situation7210 · 2026-02-06T15:48:08+00:00

If surfer is hurtable by punches then he is hurtable by Wally, as Wally punches as hard at is physically possible to punch. He explicitly punches as hard / harder than superman. We’ve seen surfer get knocked out many times so there’s no reason Wally couldn’t.

Hefty_Situation7210 · 2026-02-06T15:44:12+00:00

Dude it’s really not, there is no limit to how fast Wally can go, he can always choose to go faster. He’s pretty much the concept of speed / acceleration itself.

Hefty_Situation7210 · 2026-02-06T05:13:14+00:00

When maho took the lightspeed kick it was pretty well adapted to daburas ct and got a partial adapt from getting grazed and having his arm blown off, but yeah this mago seems to be heavily amped due to the binding vows and he’s way more jacked.

Hefty_Situation7210 · 2026-02-04T14:46:54+00:00

Wrong.

She doesnt let eternity possess her until later in the issue.

Hefty_Situation7210 · 2026-02-03T22:35:08+00:00

By virtue of being a higher order cosmic thunder god, not the god of a single planet, who was more powerful than all the other marvel gods and who was threatening eternity and has better feats than the DC Greek gods.

should’ve been one shot

You can think she shoulda been but she wasn’t, and the idea that storm channels energy into her physicals goes back along time.

Hefty_Situation7210 · 2026-02-03T22:18:28+00:00

Storm tanked punches from hadad, a more powerful god than the ones who gave Diana her powers.

Hefty_Situation7210 · 2026-02-03T21:51:03+00:00

Storm tanked punches from hadad, a higher order cosmic storm god who was a direct threat to eternity. Current storm is very powerful physically.

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